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02 April 2013

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The connection between this editor and Lac47 is evident and admitted, based on the links provided to WP:CLEANSTART and WP:ILLEGIT I think that the sockmaster is actually older than Lac47 and would like to see a checkuser look into it. Ryan Vesey 01:10, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Based on activity in the IRC help channel, I can either say that this person is completely new and was confused about close paraphrasing, and thought that a new account could get them away from the old's "shadow" per-se, or, they're a long term abuser who has an agenda to push the rules of Wikipedia. Not sure what the CU/admins want to do with this. gwickwire  talk editing 01:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose a CU is a win-win then. If the former is true, we can inform the editor about copyright.  If the latter is true, we can associate these accounts with the true master and find any sleepers. Ryan Vesey 01:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Declining checkuser and closing. All of Lac47's apparent policy knowledge could have reasonably come from the links provided to her by Bbb, and she also clearly doesn't quite understand it. I was also party to the IRC discussion that Gwick references, and it was also my impression she is just a confused, if angry, newbie. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Which links, Someguy?--Bbb23 (talk) 01:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You linked her to the sock policy and the copyright policy, which are the only policies she has cited. I've reopened the case so this can continue being discussed, if necessary. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did link to the sock policy, which does of course mention cleanstart. However, note that in her (is it a her?) discussion on my talk page earlier than that, she said "just because they don't have articles both are notable according to Wikipedia guidelines" and cited to WP:MUSICBIO. In addition, even assuming she found cleanstart because of my link, it doesn't explain why she created a second account (cleanstart is a joke in her case). None of this necessarily means the user was socking inappropriately vs. creating different accounts in a supposedly legitimate, or at least not illegitimate, manner, but I just thought I'd give you as much information as possible.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I assumed she learned about notability from the tags placed on her article. I guess I was wrong when I thought it was you who had pointed her to it. Someguy1221 (talk) 02:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been thinking about this since I went off-wiki yesterday. Practically speaking, the only thing that would be accomplished by a CU is to see if there are any sleepers, including the Tuesday account I noted below. If you don't think there's enough evidence to warrant a CU, I defer to your judgment on that. Without a CU, I see no reason to keep this open any longer. The second account has been indeffed, which is correct as there is no legitimate purpose for it (although she has posted an unblock request). Absent future misconduct by Lac47 or seomthing that smells like a puppet of Lac47, from my point of view you can close this. Thanks for your patience.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

The admission is at this version - since removed of the editor's talk page. More relevant discussion may be found at this discussion on my talk page, first by the master and then by the puppet. I notice the copyright infringement in the first version of the Ory Shihor article. It wasn't a wholesale copy and paste, but much of it was lifted from websites. In the second recreation, it was actually MadmanBot who tagged the article and the user notified here - also since removed.

I assume it's clear that Ryan is asking for a sleeper check. One account that is possible is User:Tuesday Phillips who only made three edits to the Colburn School article in early March and also was warned of copyright infringement here (this whole brouhaha was about adding Shihor to the Colburn article).--Bbb23 (talk) 01:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Closing per suggestion by Bbb23. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 03:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)