Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Liberetaecus/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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Some of this may be WP:MEAT due to a forum post (see ), but meat puppetry such as this is also sockpuppetry. Some of the newly created accounts do not appear new. All these new or dormant low-edit accounts showed up on 4 May 2021 to disrupt Turkish War of Independence. Specifically:

Liberetaecus created on 27 September 2011, 18 edits (+10 on trwiki), shows up from a long hiatus to support the edit war on "ethnic cleansing":.

Buralar Dutluktu, another long dormant account that perhaps not so coincidentally was created on 30 November 2011 (close to Liberetaecus), shows up to the same edit war (e.g., ), and to post edit warring templates on Buidhe's page.

Bayramoviç, a low edit account creat in 2019, shows up to the same edit war, and attacks other editors (,.

MRTFR55, a low edit account created in 2020, shows up to the same edit war.

Newly created KatayHan posts a legal threat.

Newly created WeSeekYou shows up to post complaints on Buidhe on various admin boards (UAA, ), including the edit warring board. This is clearly not a new user.

46.106.116.38 posts Turkish flags on Buidhe's page. Blocked for block evasion of WeSeekYou, but there's obviously an older account involved.

Some of these may indeed be MEAT, but meatpuppetry originating from a shady forum is also forbidden. Some of these, particularly the newly created SPAs and the two accounts created back in 2011, are likely to be the same individual.  Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 09:13, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added 144.122.102.91 (edit request requesting the edit warred text) and 31.141.55.126 (yet another ANI complaint with personal attacks against Buidhe).-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 10:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added Jinnie1, a newly created SPA, who posted yet another similar edit request, and 46.196.121.224 who also added an edit request, with a "racists" accusation.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 10:38, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added:
 * Ibrikchee, account created in 2010, but only 10 edits before today (+7 on trwiki). Vanadlized Buidhe's page like Bayramoviç and reported Buidhe to UAA like WeSeekYou. Note the barely AC confirmed account was needed to vandalize Buidhe's page because it was semi-protected, so this is possibly pulling socks out of a drawer.
 * İnsmuh, account globally dormant from 2014 (or at least no visible edits), first edit now on talk page:
 * HitPoint13ad with long denialist post to talk page + also makes a UAA report against Buidhe shortly after Ibrikchee (and like WeSeekYou earlier).
 * -- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 11:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added Mithrilr who registered an account to post a long personal attack against Buidhe and rant against Wikipedia at large.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 11:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note Mithrilr admits to operating a different account on trwiki, and broadcasts his intent to canvass on that (unnamed) account. While operating different accounts for different Wikipedia projects is not against policy I think, this is shady.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 13:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added 94.54.24.189 and 46.182.231.43  who both posted EC edit requests along a similar vein of previous requests.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 12:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Added Trkn98, SPA created today to attack Visnelma and object the characterization of Eksi Sozluk  like some other user did.
 * Added Bnymz, this is another sleeper. Created on 2014 on trwiki, has 3 edits (all of them deleted, but probably back around account creation?) on trwiki. Shows up on enwiki now to make another UAA report against Buidhe, like WeSeekYou, Ibrikchee, HitPoint13ad.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 13:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding (night 4 May / morning 5 May):
 * Popchia, SPA created for UAA report
 * Badi Bani, SPA created for posting on Sandstein's page, Jwslubbock's page, attacking Visnelma on his page, and posting to ANI on Visnelma.
 * 12345wsa, SPA creating for attacking Visnelma
 * Thrashbox, SPA created for single complaining post on AN.
 * I think it's likely some of these are reincarnations of previously blocked SPAs doing the same thing.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 06:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding, a low-edit account (77 on enwiki, trwiki activity at 1500 edits), who was involved in this dispute from the start (22 March: , 14 April: ) who has gone on to place mirror text on Greek War of Independence (starting 11 April: , continuing through 4 May: , , , ). Has also removed notices about the canvassing / off-wiki activity. On 4 May he was jointed by a newly created SPA Unreadedcontent putting the same langauge on the Greek article + the 188.57.17.121 IP doing similar edit. I suspect Meambokhe may be more deeply invovled here, and the SPA+IP showing up at the Greek article to do the same is telling.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 06:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding (29 edit account, created in January 2021) who has been posting tirades on the talk page from 1 May and continuing through 4 May (,, including racism accusations). Considering that the significant off-site canvassing began on 3 or 4 May, this account's involvement from 1 May is interesting to say the least. Some of the details of the attack instructions (e.g. encourage off-site participants to post spurious posts to UAA) would fit with someone with this level of experience (ignoring the edit count, e.g. problems with sigs).-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 06:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Adding, who is interesting in relation to the now blocked. This is a low-edit account (36 edits, created 2018), note that AC is now needed for this talk page. Became active on this page after Badi Bani was blocked. Their post from 6 May is interesting as beyond the personal attacks they are referring to Sandstein, whom Bertan92 did not interact with at all on the talk page due to protection (so newly created accounts are out). However, Badi Bani saw fit to post "‎A Genuine Appreciation for Defending the Truth" on Sandstein's talk. Why is Bertan92 referring to Sandstein with whom he did not interact?-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 07:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Per diff at AN is. Possible/likely to .-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 02:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Behavior-wise, might fit into this group.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 02:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Per diff at AN: is  (different country from 12345wsa group).-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 02:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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here, my account was created long before the whole debacle as you have pointed out and I find being accused of being a sockpuppet quite insulting. I believe my arguments on the talk page were valid. "including racism accusations", was a single sentence out of the many messages, most of which containing valid points, that I have posted. I have forgot to sign my comments only twice, which I did shortly after and that is in no way indicative of anything. You may also check my contributions if you believe I am a sockpuppet. You can also see that I had started a section in the talk page of the said article two days before it got the attention that it did. Also, nowhere in the talk page have I encouraged off-site canvassing and I wish you to show me exactly how you have reached that conclusion. Otherwise, I request to be removed from the list. DriedGrape (talk) 14:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * User:DriedGrape, I thank you for your first ever contribution signed as DriedGrape in a Wikipedia: namespace discussion. How did you learn of this discussion?-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 14:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If you mean this sockpuppet section, I was notified. If you mean the article, the timing is merely a coincidence. I had seen the article while reading up on what was written about parts of Turkish history, something I am semi-active in as you can see from my past contributions. I have made my point on the talk page and then unfortunately didn't follow up to it. I can see how it may seem suspicious but I think the manners and the etiquette alone in which I have made my case would put me aside from the mob. DriedGrape (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * User:DriedGrape, I did not notify you. How were you notified?-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 15:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * "Eostric mentioned you on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations" was in my alerts. DriedGrape (talk) 15:34, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably notified by the userlinks template. CMD (talk) 16:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, that probably pings as far as I can tell. You can use noping, noping2 or checkuser if you want to avoid pinging people to SPI. Blablubbs&#124;talk 16:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Just ridiculous. Because of some keyboard warriors who assume that they can change history while making provocative edits (Their all sources all look like comment) i am not sockpuppet i have no two account. Btw i am not pro about Wikipedia i translate. So i didn't understand that how i vandalise something since you don't show me a proper reason (Look at their answers to me). Have a good day.Meambokhe (talk) 19:05, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I only ran checkuser for the accounts that were listed to be contributing to the same edit war in the evidence above. I stopped after 5 of them, and from what I'm seeing - they're all ❌. This looks to be a possible case of meat puppetry, but not sock puppetry... .  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   06:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Closing. Page protection and NOTHERE blocks may be the way to go. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2021 (UTC)