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12 October 2014

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IP's only edit is a repeat of a reverted edit by currently blocked user Logeion. An edit made clearly AFTER the the original account had been blocked for vandalism. Seems obvious enough so I won't request checkuser. Safiel (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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Three sings and two dance... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.4.178 (talk) 02:09, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

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Another IP, edit was a troll post, pretty much self identifying himself. Safiel (talk) 06:16, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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You are lacking in good judgment! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.83.150.169 (talk) 17:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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 * I've hard blocked both IPs for 48 hours and extended the block to the account for a week. Mike V  •  Talk  05:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Well done! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.83.150.169 (talk) 16:56, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for self-reporting. I've blocked 212.83.15.169 as well. —C.Fred (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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On April 11, the first IP editor listed above created a talk page for Manius, a disambiguation page listing some Romans with this name, posting an old dictionary definition and some rather confused arguments about the information on the article page not being "scientifically accepted". The arguments seemed to concern a different article, Manius (praenomen), which is about the name itself, linked in a hatnote on the disambiguation page. A few hours later, Oetylus added a similarly worded and unclear argument to the same talk page; both contributions involved a series of edits over a short span of time, included "shouting" in all caps, and in a a very short article that had somehow never had a talk page since it was created back in 2007 (becoming a disambiguation page in 2009). Over the same period, the four IP editors and Oetylus made a series of edits to the article Manius that were all reverted as inappropriate for a disambiguation page.

The second and third IP's also edited Manius Acilius Glabrio, adding a link to the disambiguation page referred to above, and inserting an unnecessary external link in the lead sentence of Manius Acilius Glabrio (consul 191 BC). None of the editors listed above ever edited any other pages, except for Oetylus' user page and talk page, edited by both Oetylus and the first of the four IP's listed above, apparently identifying themselves together; until April 27, when Oetylus created the article Chielefa, again relying on extremely old sources (not counting Google Maps, all published between 1687 and 1737) using antiquated language (not that I object to either old sources or quaintly old-fashioned language in principle, but it seems to be a distinguishing characteristic of these edits). "Chielefa" appears to be an older orthography of Kelefa, which already mentions the fortress Oetylus wrote about, and has a diagram (Wikimedia Commons has more). The latter article mentions that it's near Oitylo, which I think explains Oetylus' interest in the topic.

On April 28, Logeion made a series of edits to the talk page of Manius, creating several nearly empty subsections, each of which was headed with "scientific study" or "scientific prove", without making any coherent argument, and relying largely on external links to sources of unclear relevance even to the Manius (praenomen) article, which is really where anything of this sort would properly belong, if it could be determined precisely what Logeion is trying to say (one of the sources is actually cited in the praenomen article, although not from the external link). Like Oetylus, Logeion appears to have made relatively few edits since his account was created in 2014, editing in one brief spree then and one now; and it looks like substantially all of his edits were reverted or significantly modified shortly after they were made.

These editors all seem to have a very keen interest in the disambiguation page Manius and its talk page (which the suspected sockpuppets created), and topics relating to Greek localities. They all argue somewhat incoherently, arguing in all caps and hurling similar insults (at bot editors, as well as human ones), and it seems apparent they don't have a firm enough grasp of English to explain what it is they're trying to say. They all post old dictionary and general reference entries, verbatim, in places where they're not particularly useful or relevant, and without any attempt to incorporate the contents logically into the existing articles (see Logeion's edits to Talk:Pi, Talk:Paedia (which he created, like Oetylus, for a page that had never needed one, in this case a redirect to another spelling), Paedia (the redirect, which Logeion edited with two sockpuppet IP's after his first attempt was reverted) Geographika, etc. They all seem to be confused by the difference between articles, disambiguation pages, redirects, and talk pages, treating them all alike.

Since Logeion has a known history of using sockpuppets to perform the same types of edits on the same pages where other edits of his have been reverted, and since that seems to be what he's doing with the Manius talk page, using an older account to make the same sort of edits that were reverted under Oetylus and the IP's, and it seems very unlikely that a group of users who have hardly edited any articles would wind up in such an obscure location doing the same thing in close proximity to one another, I think they must all be the same person. At least, I'm certain that Oetylus and the IP's are the same person, but I'd say it's rather clear that they're probably Logeion as well, given the additional similarity of their edits (note especially their emphasis on the word "scientific", in a context not involving anything that would normally be described as "science": Oetylus' "not scientifically accepted", and Logeion's "scientific study" and "scientific prove"). P Aculeius (talk) 02:37, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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✅, blocked, tagged, closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)