Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Loofus5/Archive

Evidence submitted by VernoWhitney
Both accounts and the IP appear to be primarily interested in LDS articles.

Now a sequence of events:
 * First, 63.226.104.225 is blocked for 24 hours for harassment by Moonriddengirl at 17:59, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Loofus5 created at 20:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC), and soon after has a discussion with Moonriddengirl which is now located at User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 23
 * Loofus5 grows rapidly more spastic and is indef blocked for trolling
 * Suplemental account created (22 June) and soon after attacks User:Hammersoft for removing non-free images, likely noticing the removal from User:CABEGOD's talk page, as CABEGOD also works in the LDS area.
 * Rounding out the triangle, Suplemental follows up on a query of the (now-unblocked) IP to another editor in the LDS area.

Since both accounts I'm aware of are recent creations I feel checkuser may be warranted to find older accounts. VernoWhitney (talk) 21:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users

 * This SPI seems to be related : Sockpuppet investigations/Storm Rider. Maashatra11 (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Note, the above checkuser has brought up

Which this check will presumably also bring up. Are these to be merged? S.G.(GH) ping! 16:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Let's see what else pops up. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

dealt with by jpgordon at Sockpuppet investigations/Storm Rider, which will shortly be archived at Sockpuppet investigations/Loofus5/Archive (since Storm Rider was found to be unrelated) SpitfireTally-ho! 17:36, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by SGGH
I am filing this SPI at the behst of who filed a report at WP:ANI regarding wikistalking. He believes, and has evidence to present here to illustrate, that the above is an undisclosed alternate account vote-stacking in deletion debates. I profess to not know the ins and outs of the situation as he does, and am formatting this SPI on his behalf due to his unfamiliarity with the system, and that I was the first admin 'on the scene'.

Evidence that the reportee has shown be already include similar editing locations revolving around Articles for deletion/Criticism of Mormon sacred texts, similar deletion comments included below:

Weak Delete Repetition adnauseam benefits no one and LDS topics do seem to particularly repetitive. If there is anything novel in the article, then keep it and change the title to fit the new topic, i.e. Criticism of the Doctrine and Covenants. A hierarchy for hierarchy's sake is meaningless unless the progression results in a cumulative addition of new information. Simply repeating what already exists elsewhere is aggrandizement. --StormRider 18:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC) vs. Weak Delete The information in the article seems to be expressed in other articles critical of Mormonism. The article could be salvaged if it was entirely redone and devoted to a specific criticism..... Hierarchy, I believe, is meaningless. --Atheisty (talk) 20:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC) emphasis added by Maashatra11, S.G.(GH) ping! 09:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

The user has also presented this diff which shows a similar line of thought between suspect sock master and sock puppet.

As I say, I cannot comment convincingly on the validity of the entire argument, as the user himself will be along shortly to present his case, however I am satisfied to assume his concerns are valid but ask for a CU to provide documentary evidence also. S.G.(GH) ping! 09:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Maashatra11
SGGH pretty much summarizes what I think. Atheisty Wikistalked me, and Atheisty's and Storm Rider's editing behaviours are very similar. Another evidence of similarity which SGGH didn't mention is that immediately after creating his account, Atheisty didn't behave like the typical newbie : In his first edits, he actively participates in talk pages of Religion-related articles, see  and, a behaviour which is very reminiscent of Storm Rider's, as can be inferred from his contributions (Storm Rider often engages in discussion pages of Religion and Mormonism-related articles). I'll paste here the relevant thread from the ANI page which led to this CU request (now archived) : My first encounter with this user, which I suspect to be a sockpuppet (and who is a single purpose account), was in Articles for deletion/Criticism of Mormon sacred texts with a vote he made. I responded to this vote and marked it as SPA. I can guess the user was not satisfied, and maybe he was even offended with my vote or with my comments in this AfD, but he didn't contact me about his concerns over me. Now he seems to stalk my edits and my votes in other AfD, and in all the AfDs I voted for he "votes" too (that is, he votes the opposite of my own votes), and he "re-edits" my edits :see his contributions]. I cannot deduce which account is sockpuppetting, but it is highly probable that he is a sockpuppet of an user involved in the Criticism of Mormons article and AfD page. (I now have based evidence on who it might be, see below) I request the help of an admin, as I see it as a pure purposely harassing of my account. Maashatra11 (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree, this looks like an SPA and seems to be stalking User:Maashatra11's edits. Checkuser might be needed. -  NeutralHomer  •  Talk  • 19:48, 30 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I have notified the user of this thread. -  NeutralHomer •  Talk  • 19:50, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree here, I have a pretty strong suspicion it's a sock of another account, also currently involved on some of those pages. Dayewalker (talk) 19:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you qualify who you might be thinking of (here on in email) and I'll run a CU request. S.G.(GH) ping! 19:57, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

-- Maashatra11 (talk) 11:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

I went back and read all of Atheisty contributions. I have read where Maash has made the accusation of "wikistalking". The problem with this accusation is that in reviewing Atheisty's contributions the worst thing that could be said is that (s)he voted on some of the same articles as Maash. There were four articles where both Atheisty and Maash voted.,, , There is no evidence of Atheisty attacking or harassing Maash in any of these articles unless their mutual conflicting votes is perceived as a conflict. Four articles is hardly a case for stalking. Harassment is not an acceptable accusation because there was no attack, no conflict between Maash or any other editor in any of the articles in Atheisty's contributions. I find this accusation baseless and without any merit.

I deleted my previous edits because they were made in anger. I strongly resent an accusation that is built on such flimsy evidence. Having participated on Wikipedia for almost six years without ever being blocked and having contributed over 18,000 edits and in over 8,200 articles, I believe that I have earned a modicum of respect. I am not Atheisty nor am I using any other sock account at present. I have used a separate account before, years ago, but I used it to focus on political articles. I have not used that account in months if not years. I don't know Maash, but I can assure you that (s)he does not have a clue about what harassment is or what is stalking. Having been a victim of both, calling a person who votes in conflict with your position is laughable. What is worse, IMHO, is that you admins would actually entertain such a flimsy claim. SG, Ktr101, and Maash, as soon is this is determined, I would like to converse with each of you jointly on my talk page. You have all three handled this poorly and your behavior is an example of why Wikipedia has a difficult time maintaining knowledgable editors. I have the misfortune of not tolerating fools easily; you can each do better.

Just to make it clear, I was given warning of this "procedure" on my talk page, but I overlooked it in conversing with other editors and missed it. I apologize. -- Storm  Rider  22:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
Almost every editor in that conversation uses the word hierarchy. It is used seven times before Storm Rider even comments - his uses of the word are 8 and 9 on the list. The word is used another ten times before Atheisty uses it. Is every editor on that page a sock of each other because they used the word hierarchy? I very much doubt that. Weakopedia (talk) 09:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe to avoid accusations of meat puppetry S.G. shouldn't edit the patrolling admin section of a case they initiated? Weakopedia (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I was merely expanded what I have interpreted to be the reasons for Maashatra11's request for a checkuser. I can remove and ask him to put his own there if requested. S.G.(GH) ping! 15:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is another currently-running SPI seeming to be related, based on various edits by the sock suspects : Sockpuppet investigations/Loofus5. Maashatra11 (talk) 23:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * Checkuser is required to supplement written evidence, and to evaluate the risk of wikistalking and harassment by sleepers and/or undisclosed accounts. S.G.(GH) ping! 09:20, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I have the feeling that if there is one sock, there may be many more. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Storm, Rider is ❌. However, all these are ✅ as the same person:
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This should be merged with Loofus5, I guess. --jpgordon:==( o ) 15:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

closed. Case was originally opened at Sockpuppet investigations/Storm Rider and has been archived at Sockpuppet investigations/Loofus5/Archive. Please see Sockpuppet investigations/Storm Rider for original page history. SpitfireTally-ho! 17:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)