Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lrcee/Archive

Evidence submitted by Christopher Connor
Some background info: Lrcee is associated with, and created the articles of, the Lamon Records label, its production company Elevating Entertainment, the recording artist Dave Moody (who owns Lamon Records), and No Limit Kids, one of the company's productions. See   for evidence. I opened AfD's against Elevating Entertainment and No Limit Kids. Lrcee voted keep on both pages. TwoRiversWC created an account on 18 July 2010 and votes keep on the two AfD's in question. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
Presumably is DUCK? diff  Chzz  ► 17:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * It's possible, though that account did vote in a number of other AFDs as well. I think a checkuser would be merited though. NW ( Talk ) 00:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Luk  talk 09:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Blocked TwoRivers indef, Lrcee 6 months. ( X! ·  talk )  · @976  · 22:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Christopher Connor
Both Lrcee and JmacBworn (created 26 July 2010) are single-purpose accounts, promotionally editing articles related to Dave Moody and Lamon Records, of which Lrcee is associated with. The previous SPI case established that Lrcee has socked before. JmacBrown has violated some of the rules at WP:ILLEGIT. He created The Moody Brothers and recreated a deleted article originally created by Lrcee, after which the deleting admin expressed suspicions of sockpuppetry. Only after these suspicions are made does JmacBrown disclose that he works in the same office as Lrcee. I don't believe this, but even if true, meatpuppetry is clearly occuring. I suspect the IP is Lrcee's IP. Christopher Connor (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I mentioned Dave Moody and Lamon Records because the two accounts have been editing articles related to them, even if JmacBrown hasn't edited those two articles themselves. If you see the edits on 27 September from both accounts, three edits took place at the exact same time as each issue. Can JmacBrown answer why he disclosed the information only after suspicions of sockpuppetry arose? Christopher Connor (talk) 01:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

We do indeed edit independently and have not edited in any of the same places to my knowledge. Lrcee (talk) 23:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I got the basis for the article I recently created [here] on the internet, and improved it. The new article was removed before it ever got a chance to be discussed. Not sure why, as it had a different title and other references to support its inclusion.  I assure you I am not the same person as Lrcee, though we are sometimes on the same IP service at work.  For the most part, I try not to edit in the same areas, and as far as I know, we've never joined in any discussion supporting or opposing any other topic.  JmacBrown (talk) 00:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Equally interesting is why Christopher Connor chose to file this SPI claim 8 days after he was first asked a question about JmacBrown's article, but only after he and I were directly in the middle of an editing dispute that was being discussed on the article's Talk page. Note when he filed and where we were in our dispute. Seems he got mad, then took his anger out in another place (not unlike his recent behavior in another dispute with multiple wiki editors here where he tried to silence a group by going around the discussion). Again, I do not comment on the same disputes or otherwise edit in the same areas to my knowledge. Lrcee (talk) 03:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Mr. Connor, I had never heard the term sock- or meat- puppet until you launched this SPI. And that's NOT my intent here.  JmacBrown (talk) 04:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
This implies that CU evidence is going to be of little to no assistance. This will have to go off of behavioral evidence. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 12:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I also note that, in my opinion, these users are not the same, based on editing styles. However WP:MEAT may still be an issue here. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 12:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Another note, I don't see that JmacBrown has edited either Dave Moody or Lamon Records, so I'm not completely sure why that got brought up here. The deleted pages User:JmacBrown/No Limit Kids: Much Ado About Middle School and No Limit Kids are essentially identical, however, which would indicate that we're dealing with the same person or some meatpuppeting. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 22:18, 7 October 2010 (UTC)