Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Machn/Archive

26 October 2012

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Machn is a sockmaster, with User:Carmelmount, now banned, having been a sockpuppet. On the talk page of the article Anti-Defamation League, Carmelmount made a section regarding a person named Leo Frank and the founding of the ADL. This was back in January. Carmelmount was eventually blocked for being a sock of Machn. Now, Professortimithy seems adamant on getting this unrpoperly referneced information put into the article in a biased manner, nearly crossing 3RR.


 * - makes the edit to the lead.


 * - Reverts me after I removed this.


 * - Reverts another editor without explanation.


 * - Reverts me again without explanation.

Note also that both Carmelmount, the banned sock, and Machn, the sockpuppet, havefrequented articles about Leo Frank.

This account seems to have been used at random time intervals, for a day or two every few months. It may be a genuine account, but my suspicion is that it's a sockpuppet.

Notice also that Professortimithy has gone around reverting the edits of an admin here known as Jayjg, who has done valuable work in BLP areas as well as Jewish-related articles. ,, , (some of these are serious BLP unsourced edits).

If it isn't a sock, I'm pretty confident that WP:ROPE would occur, but you never know.  Jethro  B  02:23, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Master and previous sock are, so Checkuser won't help here. Is there enough evidence for a WP:DUCK block? Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking at Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Machn shows one sock who is not stale, User:Carmelmount (blocked by Jpgordon on 29 Aug listing Machn as Master), so a CU is possible against that editor. The rest are 685 days old or longer.  Comparing all the knowns to the suspected sock brings up only one article  which shows some interest in Leo Frank as does the current suspect.  I'm going to add a CU request and endorse.  For some reason, we have no archive on this, only the category and those block logs.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 15:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Professortimithy and Carmelmount are ❌. They are editing on different continents, so if the edits really are that similar, Machn has moved from Indochina to the Americas. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 16:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Based on CU, this seems very unlikely, so closing with no action at this time. There are interesting similarities, but not enough to duck block. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 21:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

31 December 2014

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(Please note that GingerBreadHarlot was created by Pussypimples in response to a username block. I am just listing both here for completeness' sake.)

Based on the following chronology, I believe that User:GingerBreadHarlot is a sockpuppet of User:Machn:
 * 1) Probably in 2010 (claimed date in description, not indexed by the Wayback Machine before then), copies of The Turner Diaries and The Hunter were uploaded to the Internet Archive.
 * 2) In February 2010, links to the uploaded copies were added to the Wikipedia articles by Machn.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?&diff=prev&oldid=343667152][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=343937892] Given the short time between uploading and linking, it's likely Machn is the uploader.
 * 3) On 22 December 2014, I removed the links on copyright grounds.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=639304135][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=639304731]
 * 4) On 24 December 2014, both edits were reverted by User:Pussypimples.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=639559224][//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=639560556]
 * 5) I started a discussion on their talk page to discuss the links. At some point after that, the Internet Archive descriptions for the books were modified to add claims that they were uploaded by the publisher (note that the description contains the text "Brought to you by National Vanguard http://www.NationalVanguard.org" ). Since the IA does not have revision histories, I can only show that the text was not there when the page was archived in August, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't there before I started the discussion. Furthermore, www.SolarGeneral.com was changed to redirect to National Vanguard when it previously redirected to a different website. This shows that it's likely that Pussypimples is probably also the uploader.

wctaiwan (talk) 03:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I tried looking at the editing history, and beyond a shared interest in Leo Frank and a somewhat unusual way of writing anti-Semitism ("Antisemitism", capitalised), I couldn't really find concrete diffs that connect the two accounts (in part because I found it a bit difficult to parse the views expressed in comments by Machn's confirmed socks). Given that the above chronology is insufficient, this should probably just be closed. Thanks. wctaiwan (talk) 05:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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I need more to block based on behavior. Besides the interest in Leo Frank, the main thing you have is the business of the external links, the archives, etc. It takes a lot to connect all those dots (not that you haven't done as good a job as you possibly could). Please provide diffs regarding style between the new account(s) (admitted one person) and either the master or User:Carmelmount. I'm afraid you have little to on because the contributions of the new accounts are not very extensive.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:57, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * CU is only useful for what you already knew. Everything else we have in the archives here is . Courcelles 07:40, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Closing based on filer's latest comments. Bbb23 (talk) 05:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)