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18 December 2014

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Like I stated here, Madere is back, but is WP:Sockpuppeting as. Compare this and this edit at the Female ejaculation article. And compare this and this edit at the Snowballing (sexual practice) article. He also has the same WP:Edit warring tendencies as Madere, WP:Edit warring with me at the Female ejaculation article, and WP:Edit warring with Grayfell at the Snowballing (sexual practice) article. Madere was indefinitely blocked by Jesse Viviano for WP:Vandalism/possibly a WP:Compromised account. Flyer22 (talk) 03:06, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Also take note that Craftdraw is very much aware that I've identified him as Madere, and that he has yet to deny that he is Madere. He also has not responded to, at least from what can be seen on Wikipedia, the fact that he was indefinitely blocked -- no denial of WP:Vandalism or claim that his account was hacked. The editor is very problematic, pure and simple. Flyer22 (talk) 07:19, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Both accounts overlap in editing patterns. In addition to specific edits to sexuality related articles mentioned by Flyer22, both accounts extensively edit Mexico-related articles, include some of the same specific articles. Grayfell (talk) 05:40, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * Blocked as a sockpuppet. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 12:22, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

15 February 2015

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Right after blocking of sock Craftdraw, new user Pagesclo did the same changes to the same page (moving Valley of Mexico to Mexico Valley) and evidences the same behavior (unusual change of page title to a non-common name without consensus) and on the same page. Keizers (talk) 04:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

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User's edits are very similar of the many blocked accounts of this sockpuppet.  GoPurple  'n  Gold24   16:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The original reporter placed these diffs at my talk page:
 * 1. [most recent diff]
 * 2. [previous diff]

Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Pagesclo is obviously Madere/Craftdraw. Clear-cut WP:Duck case, just like when I reported Craftdraw. Note: Madere and Pagesclo sign their usernames the same way as well -- with two dashes in the front. In the future, since I've noted that here, Madere might change up his signature style. Flyer22 (talk) 02:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

And just like in the Craftdraw case, Pagesclo has not denied that he is Madere; see his taunting comment he placed in the wrong section on this page. Flyer22 (talk) 02:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Madere might not change anything, as he is indefinitely blocked.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  02:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Vanjagenije, I obviously know that the Madere account is indefinitely blocked. As noted above, I am the one who started the first Madere WP:Sockpuppet investigation (when reporting Craftdraw). The reason that I used the name Madere in my "In the future" sentence above is because that is his main username; that is why this latest WP:Sockpuppet investigation about this person was started (and will be started in the future if he WP:Sockpuppets some more) under the Madere username...unless, of course, an older username is validly tied to this person. The oldest username is usually the primary username in cases such as these. What else am I supposed to call this person to indicate that I am speaking of him as separate from any account he might use? I also see that you moved his "rare" comment up; good. Flyer22 (talk) 02:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Rare; very aware on that user --Pagesclo (talk) 02:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I've just noticed this discussion, and thought the edits were also very similar to User:Thymepeekk, looking at the edit history of Tuxtla Gutiérrez, I notice that Madere was editing that article (diff), and was reverted by User:Materialscientist on 10 November 2014 (diff). Two weeks later, User:Thymepeekk appeared and deleted the same information previously deleted by Madere (Madere diff vs Thymepeekk diff). So I suspect that Madere, Pagesclo, Craftdraw and Thymepeekk are all one and the same, and will no doubt keep cropping up with new names to engage in the same disruptive activity... Simon Burchell (talk) 10:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For info, Thymepeek discussions at ANI here and here. Simon Burchell (talk) 10:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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I need more evidence in the way of diffs comparing Pagesclo to either the master or one of the confirmed socks. Don't assume I - or any other clerk - know anything about the history in the archive. I note that both Pagesclo were created at roughly the same time (very early Deccember), although both didn't start editing until much later. I also note that Pagesclo didn't move the page "right after blocking of sock Craftdraw". Although you didn't provide a diff of the move, it looks to me like Pagesclo moved the page almost two months (February 13, 2015) after Craftdraw's block on December 22, 2014. Finally,, if you're going to try to relate this case to another, you need to provide evidence of that connection rather than just saying so. Putting this case on hold.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there, Bbb23, I am not an expert on ferreting out sock puppets, and I don't know what a diff is. All I know is that the one user did a VERY unusual move of the page to a title which doesn't make sense to anyone who is English speaking and seeks to have the article under the common name. And then this new user did the exact same move. What do you want me to provide (a DIFF - what is it?) in order to provide more evidence?Keizers (talk) 02:33, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Diff is a link to the page that shows difference between two versions of the same page. For example, this diff shows how you added your comment above. Learn more here: Help:Diff.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  10:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * - After reading the three WP:ANI discussions on  and going throu contributions of both Pagesclo and proven sock, I came to the conclusion that there is enough similarity in those two to endorse a CU check. Next time, the nominator should do more research and present more evidence, and not leave to us to look for the evidence.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  20:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ that and  belong to . - Mailer Diablo 17:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Since is a proven sock of, I tagged both newly blocked accounts as proven socks of Madere. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  18:36, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

02 March 2015

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Madere is back now with the name Globsmanxx. Compare this most recent diff to this previous diff and this one before that. Keizers (talk) 21:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Yep, it's him. Flyer22 (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * . New user whose first edit is identical to the edit of Pagesclo.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Account blocked and tagged. Mike V • Talk 02:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

04 March 2015

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More of the usual. Repeating the same sock edit to Mexican Spanish, and strange, ungrammatical edits to places and sports events. This edit looks like a revenge edit against User:Keizers, who reported the most recent previous sock (that article is listed at the very bottom of Keizer's user page). Grayfell (talk) 02:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is the diff, same revenge edit on the page Mexican Spanish Keizers (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * - - Endorsing CU based on  and .  Vanjagenije   (talk)  01:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ to each other to the following.
 * to each other (Please check to see if the Waldemar15 SPI could be related to this case):


 * Again please check behavior before blocking anything. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  01:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I've blocked Janiselgar and Plamaech as a sock per the similarity to this edit.


 * ElIluminador114 and Annageso do not have any contributions. Globsmanxx was blocked by me previously as a sock of Madere. Clerkletheq only has one contribution that can't really be tied to any account. I've blocked Encocket as a sock of Waldemar15. He seems to have a problem with GoPurpleNGold24 and Encocket showed the same behavior by reverting GoPurpleNGold24's edits. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) I also feel confident that Riotamuckw is a sock of Madere. Pagesclo called the fight the "Fight of the Century", which Riotamuckw did as well. For now, it's probably best to just keep an eye on the other 3 accounts. Mike V • Talk 22:25, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * FYI, ElIluminador114 and Annageso have edits on eswiki and local accounts were created automatically on enwiki when the user navigated across projects. ElIluminador114's eswiki edits are utter vandalism. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  22:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I checked, but there's not really anything to tie the accounts to the master. Mike V • Talk 23:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

14 March 2015

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Exact same quacking edit of Mexican Spanish‎ as before. Grayfell (talk) 05:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

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 * , please provide some WP:diffs to show how that edit is "quacking".  Vanjagenije   (talk)  22:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Examining the revision history of the Mexican Spanish article shows a long-running edit war with the exact same edit being done over and over again by brand-new accounts, each of which has been immediately indeffed. I'm calling WP:DUCK here and have blocked the latest one (Abelriflee).  I've also set "pending changes" protection at Mexican Spanish to mitigate the problem if it continues.  Closing now.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 06:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

29 June 2015

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This is a request for merging this SPI with Sockpuppet investigations/Waldemar15. Based upon the edits of, is the same user as Walder, because he's doing nothing but revert edits that were reverted before from confirmed accounts. Compare:
 * A with
 * C with D with E. I haven't checked other accounts for further evidence. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 02:27, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

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 * You are trying to prove that Encocket is the same as Waldemar15, but we already knew that. What is the connection to Madere?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  21:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * That Encocket was blocked as a puppet of Madere (I thought it was pretty clear in the log). As I said I didn't check other accounts for further evidence, but if you want it. Articles like Mexico, San Cristóbal de las Casas Sport in Mexico or Tuxtla Gutiérrez are a constant target of Waldemar (Tuxtla and Sports protected once because of him). Looking even further this edit is key, as due to the constant removals of content we could identify him (removals of lucha libre)[. [[WP:CC-BY-SA| © ]]  Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 17:02, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you help here? You were the CheckUser who made a check on 10 March (1)., and  were found to be likely, but some of them were later blocked as socks of Madere, and some as socks of Waldemar15.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  14:53, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly everything at this point that is relevant to make that determination is stale and was stale at the time of my check. That said, from a look at the CU logs, it would appear that Craftdraw is also part of the group that I said was likely. Any connection to Madere seems to be a behavioral one only made by the assessment of clerks at the time. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  01:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Closing the case because of the lack of evidence. Anyway, it is not so important to know who is the master, as to block socks and stop disruption.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  09:25, 17 July 2015 (UTC)