Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Marklainer/Archive

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First account wants to add himself to the credits of a movie for a non-notable role. Second account registers 2 days after (7 Jan) his changes were reverted (5 Jan), makes the same edits, and tries to support each other on the talk page via the other account (eg on Marklainer and then  on Witdoctors). It seems highly unlikely this isn't either a sock or a meat. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * For the record,, “notability” has a specific meaning on Wikipedia distinct from the general meaning of the term. I’ve watched the movie, but the cast listing on the article seems to be decided according to 1) WP:FILMCAST and less-so 2) whether the actor/actress has an individual article on Wikipedia. There are various roles integral to the movie I suppose (eg Dude) that we wouldn’t really list here. So a listing (or not) here isn’t really any editors trying to pass judgement on your work. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 03:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

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 * I did create a second account. This is the 1st time I've ever edited anything on Wikipedia. I was in the movie Free Guy. I was a union principal actor with a significant role. There there were other actors who had similar roles to mine who are listed on the page, including Britne Oldford, Camille Kostek, and Mike Devine. I had a friend who tried to make the edit after mine was rejected. Hers was undone by ZimZalaBim, who said that my character was a "non-notable extra." I was not an extra. I was a Principal. I was actually used in promotional marketing by 20th Century and Disney. I was very upset that someone would have taken down my friend's post my friend's post, and also would make an assertion about my role in the film that clearly showed that the individual had individual had not even watched the film in question. I felt disrespected. I created another username, not realizing that was not permitted, So that I could resubmit the change, but this time include supporting documentation that would show that I deserved to be on that page. As an actor who worked for 8 and a 1/2 weeks on that film, plus an extra day of shooting in LA where they added additional dialog for me, and since I was used in marketing on is in marketing on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter, I felt that I deserved to deserved to be on that page. I still feel that way, but I won't try again. I will say that the users who undid my changes could not have seen the movie and been aware that Hostage, AKA That Guy Who Can't Put His Hands Down (that's what they called the character in the marketing campaign, was a NOTABLE character. In fact, if is going to include Britne Oldford (Barista), Mike Devine (Officer Johnny), and Camille Kostek (Bombshell the page should also include the other significant NPCs who were singled out to promote the film: Sophie Levy (Big City Dreamer), Anabel Graetz (Cat Lady), and Mark Lainer (Hostage). That would be the appropriate thing to do. Anyway, my apologies. It won't happen again. At least, I won't be involved. I do have friends who had seen the page and wondered why I wasn't on it. That's why I had gone in to edit it. If you have seen the movie, you should enter all of the main NPC supporting cast, not just three of them. You can see the names listed at https://www.metacritic.com/movie/free-guy and https://film-book.com/film-review-free-guy-2021-an-energetic-summer-comedy-with-some-minor-flaws/ Thanks. Plus, the satisfaction of working 8 and 1/2 weeks on a union contract for a film I'm really proud of is better than the ego boost of being on a Wikipedia page. And the residuals won't hurt either! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Witdoctors (talk • contribs) 22:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * . It's clearly SOCK or MEAT, and this is a case where I don't think it would change my determination with respect to sanctions to know which it is: If it's MEAT, it's MEAT where someone's been told exactly what to say (see: the recurring usage of the industry term "Principal", "SAG Principal", or "SAG-AFTRA Principal",   vs.   ), which we treat as SOCK anyways. : Please block Witdoctors indefinitely as a suspected sock of Marklainer. Please block Marklainer for at least 3 days (going with that rather than a warning in light of the outright deception); that's the reasonable sanction for socking, IMO, but the reviewing admin may wish to consider whether this should be treated as a promo-only account and handled accordingly.  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 22:39, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Given the admission above and promise not to do this again, I am going to block the sock and leave Marklainer unblocked., the next time you add your name into a Wikipedia article will result in your account being blocked indefinitely. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)