Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maslowsneeds/Archive

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 * Main commonalities between accounts
 * 1) Prior blocks for socking, including block logs specifically mentioning checkuser-block account.
 * 2) Sanctions related to arbitration case, American Politics 2.
 * 3) Editing on areas related to pro-Donald Trump, pro-Russia, anti encyclopedic documentation of Russian intelligence operations, pro POV pushing of conspiracy theories (Pizzagate (conspiracy theory)) directly denigrating to WP:BLPs. Advancing support and edit-warring to add Russian-government-controlled-Russia Today "RT" as a source.
 * 4) WP:TAGTEAM activity backing each other up or replacing each other once one gets sanctions. Case study example at article Shareblue, below.


 * Previous blocks, topic bans, topic ban warnings, and sanctions on accounts
 * 1) Maslowsneeds - AE sanction at, blocked by for Persistent topic ban violations, battleground editing, and personal attacks
 * 2) 1Eternity1 - blocked as sock by
 * 3) 11Eternity11 - blocked as sock by
 * 4) Tlroche - banned from American Politics 2 by . Previously blocked by  for (Arbitration enforcement - violation of 1RR at 2016 United States election interference by Russia
 * 5) Solntsa90 - blocked 3 months by for Arbitration enforcement: Failing to adhere to community standards on the topic of ARBEE . AE report
 * 6) TheTimesAreAChanging - admonished and strongly warned that there is a reason why articles on American Politics are under Arb restriction. You are at the edge of getting topic banned or blocked by at
 * 7) Ag97 - AE report . Blocked by for disruption at Pizzagate (conspiracy theory) . Community topic ban implemented by  from topic  United States politics and conspiracy theories, broadly construed . WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behavior at.
 * 8) SashiRolls - Blocked by for checkuserblock-account at . AE report . Blocked 6 months by  for Disruptive editing and Wikihounding at
 * 9) B'rer Frog - sock of SashiRolls per by . And blocked at.
 * 10) Safehaven86 - blocked by for checkuserblock-account


 * Additional correlations analysis
 * 1) Shareblue article started by Maslowsneeds at
 * 2) Same page edited shortly after by Safehaven86 -- that user blocked for checkuserblock-account at
 * 3) SashiRolls edits same exact page at -- that user blocked for Disruptive editing and Wikihounding at
 * 10:35, 5 December 2016 - Maslowsneeds adds spurious info on Shareblue to article Fake news website at
 * 1) Same exact info on Shareblue was added to article Fake news website by SashiRolls at Sagecandor (talk) 22:46, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Will do. I'll do some more research quite soon and add links back here. Thank you for your helpful advice. Sagecandor (talk) 00:43, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * More info as suggested by Bbb23


 * NOTE that they may not all be technically related but WP:Meatpuppetry and WP:Tag team:


 * 1) Maslowsneeds and 1Eternity1: Maslowsneeds and 1Eternity1  at same page.
 * 2) Maslowsneeds and Tlroche: Maslowsneeds blocked 3 times for arbitration enforcement, pushing pro-Trump and anti-Clinton POV and POV pushing with subsection title here  -- Tlroche also blocked for violating arbitration enforcement at article: 2016 United States election interference by Russia at, adding poorly sourced info violating WP:BLP at that page
 * 3) Maslowsneeds and Solntsa90 and 11Eternity11: Echoing each other at same talk page, and that of blocked sock 11Eternity11: and "As for 11Eternity11's comment, I co-sign, 100%. Solntsa90".
 * 4) Solntsa90 and Ag97: Attempts to remove word "debunked" at Talk:Pizzagate (conspiracy theory) -- echoing each other, backing each other up: "I think the issue here is who decides that they are the arbiter of truth? Is it simply by how much media influence you have, how much money you spend on advertising or your editorial team, etc.? Solntsa90" and "As far as I know, the only debunking that occurred is that several media sources published articles saying that the theory is false and has been debunked." Ag97.
 * 5) TheTimesAreAChanging and Ag97 and Tlroche: TheTimesAreAChanging at page Talk:2016 United States election interference by Russia very odd WP:SYNTH violating comment essentially questioning conclusions of United States at another post, conversely, accusing of "synthesis" ALL CAPS, and violating No Personal Attacks, repeatedly, at another editor: . Ag97, at same page, . Tlroche, at same page, edit-wars and violates arbitration restrictions, same goal, lessen impact of United States intelligence conclusions.


 * NOTE that they may not all be technically related but WP:Meatpuppetry and WP:Tag team. Thank you. Sagecandor (talk) 02:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The combination of: (1) The multitude of arbitration enforcement sanctions and blocks, (2) The corresponding follow-up type edits on same topics that necessitated those sanctions and blocks, and (3) The WP:Meatpuppetry and WP:Tag team style behavior -- is what necessitates further investigation here. Sagecandor (talk) 04:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for looking into this, Bbb23, whatever you can do would be great. Sagecandor (talk) 08:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks to Bbb23 for the results . Good job ! Sagecandor (talk) 08:50, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * Despite a few examples of appalling WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior by Sagecandor—and despite the fact that Sagecandor is almost certainly a sock of someone, having racked up over 4,000 edits in less than a month, from reviewing GAs to initiating policy-based requests at every imaginable drama board—I have previously tried to work collaboratively with this user. For one, edits like this and this (following this revert) told me Sagecandor may not be so blinded by ideology as to be unable to write articles in a neutral manner (even if there is no doubt as to Sagecandor's political views). In addition, copyedits comprise a large proportion of Sagecandor's contributions, and these are generally a net benefit. For these reasons, I recently told Sagecandor "It's quite obvious that you are a well-meaning editor more concerned with article improvement than advancing any POV; I believe I've already thanked you for some of your edits, and I don't suspect (whatever our private disagreements) that we should have any difficulty collaborating." Well, I hate to admit it when I'm wrong, but the combination of Sagecandor's infamous "'Russian propagandists" thread at NPOVN and this spurious SPI indicate I might very well have been wrong. Speaking only for myself, Sage: Unless you revise your post to include some actual evidence against me, you would be well advised to drop my name entirely.


 * Given that everyone else listed has already been blocked or banned—the obvious socks being indeffed, the allegedly disruptive users being topic banned—I will probably be the only one responding. I would therefore like to remind Sagecandor that behavioral evidence usually means editing at similar times, employing the same figures of speech or grammatical quirks, filling out citations with identical formatting—ect.—as well as similar interests and attitudes. Occam's Razom implies that my Sega-related GAs and FA are probably not merely a cover for my involvement in a political conspiracy, and that Stein-supporting Leftie SashiRolls and I were probably not merely pretending to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum—it's on you to prove (or at least strongly suggest) otherwise. (BTW, self-described Canadian contributor Ag97 has been editing articles related to Canadian pop culture since 2009—I would be shocked if that account has any connection to the others. Also, unlike SashiRolls—who I suspect is French, and can certainly speak French—I dropped out of my high school French class.) Finally: If you make a habit of filing frivolous reports against people you disagree with, that can be seen as casting aspersions or hounding—it's not as though there are no downsides to that sort of conduct.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 00:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Speaking only for my own edits: There's no argument that SPECIFICO didn't violate WP:SYNTH—even from you—or that I did, because the policy doesn't apply to talk pages. Sorry, but having the temerity to question "United States intelligence conclusions" isn't an actionable offense, or evidence of anything untoward. When have I ever formatted a source like Tlroche? More importantly: Why did I agree with you and oppose Tlroche's additions on the talk page? I must be playing a really long game!TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
You've thrown everything at this case including the kitchen sink. Some of the accounts have already been found to be related. A couple of others you have reasonable evidence, but for the remainder, you need more than generalized evidence, which includes topic bans, blocks or even CU-blocks, and interests in political articles, to justify a check. For the following accounts you need more specific evidence, including diffs, showing a behavioral connection between the alleged sock and the master: 1Eternity1 or 11Eternity11, Tiroche (I believe this account is the oldest account, not Maslowsneeds), Solntsa90, TheTimesAreAChanging, and Ag97. Otherwise, I will decline the CU or only check the few accounts.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't find any of the additional evidence very persuasive. However, I will check only the following accounts: Maslowsneeds, Solntsa90, and 1Eternity1 and/or 11Eternity11.--Bbb23 (talk) 08:11, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The following account are ❌ to each other (except the two "Eternity" accounts, which are of course ✅):
 * Maslowsneeds
 * Solntsa90
 * 1Eternity1
 * 11Eternity11
 * Solntsa90 and are ✅ to each other. I've blocked and tagged The Makioka Brother. I've increased the block of Solntsa90 to indefinite and tagged the account. Closing this case with no further action.--Bbb23 (talk) 08:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)