Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Michaelh2001/Archive

Evidence submitted by Pablo X
User lives in Alaska, IP geolocates there. Both mention "the young woman from Seattle" as though that's the defining thing about a brutal murder of a non-American in Italy.

!Voting style is similar:


 * Strong Keep ... I say KEEP! (Michaelh2001)


 * Agreed! STRONG KEEP! ... KEEP! (Michaelh2001)


 * Strong keep' ... STRONG keep!! (69.178.17.118)

Quack. pablo hablo. 20:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * In the light of Michaelh2001's comments &darr; this seems moot. I initially assumed he had merely omitted to log in, but then realised that his IP edit was his fourth to the page, and his third !vote.  pablo hablo. 20:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.


 * I forgot to sign in this morning, but ALL of those comments are from me, using my account and my computer. This morning I signed my post with 4 tilde's, but forgot that I had not "clocked in" to put it in humorous terms.

PabloHablo may be new, but if he had been here a while he would know that AfD discussions are not a "vote" but rather A DISCUSSION. I have reiterated my support for keeping the Amanda Knox article 3 times, but that does not make them three votes, just three comments in support of keeping the article.

PabloHablo does not like any opinion that does not agree with his own, and is using this process to punish me for disagreeing with him on the Amanda Knox AfD page.

I erred in not signing in this morning, but I did sign with 4 tilde's and am not using a "sock puppet". PabloHablo's attempts to bully me away from this discussion because he does not like my opinions will not work and frankly say more about him then me.

I often discuss my edits with other editors to make sure they are in line with Wikipedia standards. Rosiestep can verify that. It is PabloHablo who should be told not to harass people in this manner. I have the right to believe that the murder in Italy is relevant because of who the suspect is, not on its own. PabloHablo has the right to disagree with me, but not to the point of harassment. After all, two of my 3 posts were signed while I was signed in and under my account, and I tried to sign the third but had neglected to sign in.

PabloHablo's complaint has NOT been made in good faith, but rather as a form of harassment. Michaelh2001 (talk) 20:33, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Update: I went back and re-signed the post in question. Michaelh2001 (talk) 21:02, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Update II: What does the IP address mean when the user logs in? It can be different every time and not matter one bit! Ever heard of Wifi? Criminy! Michaelh2001 (talk) 21:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Hello. Michael drew my attention to this investigation, but the choice to comment here is my own. It's easy enough to verify that MichaelH2001 is a collaborative-style editor, in main space, on article talk pages, and on user talk pages. I'm no sockpuppet expert, so I can't add $.02 to that review process, but IMHO, Michael is an honest wikipedian, unlikely to stoop to sockpuppetry. I reviewed the AFD and it looks like the confusion stems from misconstruing comments as !votes.  I hope level heads prevail and that we AGF, both with the AFD and this investigation. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I think you've got this slightly backwards; Micaelh2001 has either misconstrued or is unfamiliar with the norms at AfD as evidenced by his repeated bold Keeps at the beginning of three of his four contributions on this particular one. I agree that he needs to AGF a bit more, however - see comments here and on his talk page and yours.  pablo hablo. 10:43, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * He is now even posting in "comments by other users". Wow! Anyway, a sock puppet is using multiple accounts to support your own opinion, not saying the same thing several times under your own account. Forgetting to sign in is not using multiple accounts. And who would be confused by multiple comments signed Michaelh2001? The truth is that Pablo finds my opinion regarding the Murder of Meredith Kercher, and why its notable, to be offensive. So he is using this sock puppet red herring to silence me.

I often log in from Wifi hot spots, so there may be multiple IP addresses. When I edited the Folsom City Zoo Sanctuary page last month, I was in California so I'm sure the IP address for the Folsom Grind coffee shop Wifi, and the Folsom City library got logged. But the IP should be irrelevant when the user is logging in. Forgetting to log in once does not mean I'm using sock puppets. If Pablo would "chill out", (his words) he would realize that. Michaelh2001 (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There is a legitimate concern of vote stacking (intentional or not) and comments like those you made on your talkpage are unacceptable.The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 16:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, and I've removed ALL of the comments. Michaelh2001 (talk) 16:57, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * While Michael needs to assume good faith concerning this SPI, I don't really see any evidence that he's done anything other than misunderstand the AFD process. Regards. Claritas § 16:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Claritas is correct (and clear), and I agree. Votestacking at AfD is a worry, and best avoided.  pablo hablo. 19:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by  pablo hablo. 20:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * . In general, checkusers do not reveal whether IPs are connected to accounts. --Deskana (talk) 10:57, 18 June 2010 (UTC)