Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/MrDavr/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Disruptive edits, usually reverted by other users. Same obsession for changing automotive vehicles segmentation, despite multiple explations from WikiProject Automobiles members. Also, the 3 accounts are editing this draft : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Compact_crossover_SUV

A good example of the issue can be found here (between the 15 January and today) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SEAT_Ateca&action=history

Monettt (talk) 16:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK Behaviourally, puppet is continuing the exact same pattern of edits as the blocked master: editing articles about cars primarily to change their photos and size classes. A review of respective diffs will show a clear pattern; here are some examples:


 * At Range Rover Velar: master; puppet
 * At Land Rover Freelander: master; puppet
 * At Volkswagen Amarok: master; puppet

Also note concerns by other users: ;.

The username is a nice touch, I'll give them that. Dorsetonian (talk) 19:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 19:16, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Since they were kicking off on their talk page, I ran a check. It is as ✅ as a connection can get from a technical standpoint. Tags updated.-- Ponyo bons mots 00:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hang on, there's more.-- Ponyo bons mots 00:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also ✅: and  as well as already blocked  and  .--  Ponyo bons mots 00:34, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * - Re-tagged SUVlover and 1VRX. Please, block Veracronian and 2VXL as confirmed to the master. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 07:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged per request. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 14:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
The Vann94 user account, which was created on March 3 (about the same time as the MrDavr socks were blocked), has edited extensively in the area of car sizes and images. In particular, Vann94 even refers to car sizes in centimeters to determine if a vehicle is mid-size, full-size, etc. These are exactly the kind of edits done by sockpuppeteer MrDavr. Here are some diffs:
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 * Bahooka (talk) 15:45, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 15:57, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK, per previous reports - behavioural examples: Changing pictures of cars: Changing car size classes: Dorsetonian (talk) 00:02, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 00:50, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Per previous behavioural issues, this one is a little less clear-cut because of fewer contributions but: - arguing about size classification, and  working on a draft started by MrDavr. Dorsetonian (talk) 10:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * - Perhaps because it's not as ducky as the others based on the three edits, we should run a check to confirm and to look for any other accounts. Bbb23 (talk) 11:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ to the master, as are
 * from the previous filing
 * from the archive
 * Blocking, (re-)tagging, closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocking, (re-)tagging, closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 11:30, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Very few edits so far so not much to go on, but this does appear to be the return of MrDavr: signature picture and size classification changes on articles about cars. Picture: ; size classification:. Dorsetonian (talk) 17:09, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, is just redoing another of their sock's work . Dorsetonian (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ ST47 (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Recently created user continues to change vehicle sizes on the same articles as the sockpuppeteer and multiple socks Bahooka (talk) 15:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Here is a sample diff. The user did the same edit as socks Vermont finish and Vann94: Bahooka (talk) 02:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * – Favonian (talk) 11:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK again. Size classification changes and image changes. Dorsetonian (talk) 09:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * - please compare to previous accounts for confirmation. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 20:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ along with -- RoySmith (talk) 23:04, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK, yet again. Mossi510 car size classifications changes: , Vyern:,. Note also the change to 4x4 "as British" common to each of them. Is there any action to stop all these new socks popping up as soon as one is blocked? Dorsetonian (talk) 15:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: I have added Jzizz2025 to the list, after the CU was requested. They are also changing size classifications and pictures, e.g.:, . Dorsetonian (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * for sleepers as this master likes to make. DatGuyTalkContribs 16:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * was also reported at Sockpuppet investigations/DavidWittas. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh blimey - it looks like MrDavr is just another sock of DavidWittas. What a mess. Dorsetonian (talk) 15:46, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, looks like I edit conflicted with and my edit got lost :-(  The gist was that Vyern and Mossi510 are ✅ to MrDavr, and Jzizz2025 is  to a couple of accounts previously tagged as confirmed to DavidWittas.  Unfortunately, things get a bit messy after that.  It's possible the two cases should be merged, but I'm not sure of that yet.  I've blocked all the accounts but I'll leave the tagging to a clerk's discretion.  My suggestion is to leave the two cases apart for now; better evidence may emerge in the future and we can merge them if/when it does.  For now, keeping them as two cases, cross-referenced by notes, doesn't seem to be hurting anything. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This new user account went and undid many of the "rv sock" reverts by.

Diffs: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Username seems a bit similar to one of the previous socks as well (JazzyMax2022 vs Jzizz2025) AP 499D25 (talk) 08:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * JazzyMax2022 is ✅ to Jzizz2025. See my comments in 27 March 2023 about tagging. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Behavioural again: changing car size classifications - for example, and here is MrDavr's exact same earlier change: Dorsetonian (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ in addition to:
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Behavioural again: changing car size classifications - for example, and here is MrDavr's exact same earlier change: Dorsetonian (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ in addition to:
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK Standard MrDavr MO - car articles, changing size classifications and photographs  Dorsetonian (talk) 17:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Lvity is ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 13:13, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK. Jottie2 is blatantly redoing the edits of the previous sock Lvity, eg: Lvity, Jottie2; Lvity, Jottie2; Lvity, Jottie2. Josie675 is continuing the car size classification and image changes - examples:, , Dorsetonian (talk) 09:30, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * , DatGuyTalkContribs 10:52, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * These two are also confirmed -- RoySmith (talk) 13:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
WP:DUCK Edits so far are arguing about car size classifications as usual; this edit is identical to this one by previous sock Jottie2. Dorsetonian (talk) 08:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is going to run out of usernames at this pace.  Mr.choppers &#124;  ✎  15:53, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * Both of these are ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 13:23, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This account, which had not edited since September, has made this edit to Lexus LS which makes the same change of car classification as another of MrDavr's sock accounts in these two edits. Although the account had been dormant, it was previously making changes to car classifications exactly as MrDavr did, examples:      .

It looks like an old account which, interestingly, had not come up in CU searches for other sleepers. MrDavr's first edit was not until last December, but there is a suggestion the puppetmaster is actually DavidWittas (WP:Sockpuppet investigations/MrDavr/Archive). If this account can be tied to either of those, might there be others which can be found? Dorsetonian (talk) 09:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ to either DavidWittas or MrDavr -- RoySmith (talk) 14:48, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Converted subcompact executive car from a redirect into an article, an article that has a lot of similarity to a "compact crossover SUV draft written by the sockmaster. Also the changing of images to lower-quality ones, and tampering with vehicle size classes that this user often did. The Vogue2Vogue account is registered but has only edited on Commons and Wikidata so far. Sable232 (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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-- RoySmith (talk) 00:24, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Both ✅ along with

Suspected sockpuppets
Appears within days of the previous socks being found and blocked. Second edit is to create an OR-filled content fork of a car classification article, which was one of MrDavr's favorite activities on Wikipedia. The other edits include a lot of messing around with images, which this user has always been fond of. The account was created on Commons and is creating another car class article there in userspace just like the previous socks. CheckUser requested because of this LTA's past use of sleeper accounts. Sable232 (talk) 14:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 23:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Very similar editing pattern to ArchipelagoOcean, the most recent sock, with a lot of messing around with car images and size classifications. The account was created on Commons, as has become typical for this LTA. The account seems too familiar with Wikipedia and Commons (to the point of having favorite Wikimedia car photographers) to be a new user. Sable232 (talk) 21:25, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * -  Girth Summit  (blether)  09:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, also:
 * Will block both. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Will block both. Girth Summit  (blether)  10:04, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
From their behaviour, it appears we may have another MrDavr sock amongst us. It is less clear-cut to me than some others though I believe the similarities are enough to warrant CU to verify, e.g.:

Last sock (PageOrganiser) made this edit and the identical edit was redone by Volardiculous:

Many edits are to change the images on automobile articles which was typical of MrDavr, just a few examples: , , , .

However, another trait of MrDavr was to change automobile size classifations and that is not really in evidence here. The closest is this: . They do, however, appear interested in the actual dimensions, e.g.: .

There's also a load of edits which I would regard as positive, though some do have an aparrent disregard for V, NPOV etc.: , . Dorsetonian (talk) 15:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * As can be seen on Volardiculous' talkpage, I also feel like this is MrDavr. What's funny is that this editor seems to have matured considerably. I have been checking some of their edits (and those of their most recent sockpuppets) and am wondering if they couldn't one day be a useful editor in good standing. Or maybe my brain has gone soft and they should just be hit with the banhammer once a week until the heat death of the universe.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  14:24, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree - edits look a lot like those of the past two sockpuppets. I added an IP range that looks like it's also being used by MrDavr.They may have matured somewhat, but I don't think their edits are on the whole productive and the continued sockpuppetry and disruption proves that they're a net negative to the project. I think there would need to be a bare minimum of six months of no socking, followed by an unblock request on their original account showing an understanding of what got them blocked and what they will change if unblocked, in order to have a chance at being unblocked. --Sable232 (talk) 16:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * - I think there's enough evidence in the filing to justify a check. Please compare the named account to previous socks to confirm. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 05:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ and blocked. - I can't comment on the IP range listed above, please would you consider it from a behavioural standpoint and block if appropriate?  Girth Summit  (blether)  11:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Based on edits like this and this, I'm satisfied that the IP range is the same person & have blocked it. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 13:39, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Recreated the BMW X1 (U11) article that he did as Volardiculous here. Other edits fit the pattern. This is all coming from an account created August 26. Bahooka (talk) 18:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * as suspected. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 21:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)