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06 April 2014

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was a COI-SPA known for his contentious editing in articles related to Providence (religious movement), an organization he disclosed to be a part of,. During a recent AN/I discussion, now archived here, MrTownCar fiercely (and naturally) spoke against a ban/block proposal arguing he should be allowed to make COI edit requests instead. He and one other COI editor,, were indef blocked on 26 March 2014 by. His comments in the AN/I thread as well as his comments on his own talk page after being blocked,, gives the impressions of an editor, who to a high degree burns for his cause.

Enter 12:45, 5 April 2014 who makes his first edit in Providence (religious movement) 3 minutes later, and reduces the article from 42k to 24k in.
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I highlight below a number of similarities in the two users' deletions, and believe there are reasons to suspect a block evasion.


 * Scgcho removes alternative names. Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar e.g..


 * Scgcho removes info pertaining to Providence being a splinter group from the Unification Church. Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , and.
 * Scgcho removes the Sydney Morning Herald cite news titled "Claims sect using social groups to recruit members". Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar.
 * Scgcho removes the Sydney Morning Herald cite news titled "Claims sect using social groups to recruit members". Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar.


 * Scgcho removes "Jung encourages his followers to form non-religious organisations for the purpose of attracting young people without initially revealing the religious nature of the group or their real motives". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , , , and.
 * Scgcho removes "South Korean media reported that Jung had claimed to have received a "special revelation" from God, and that many female members of his cult were ordered to undress for a "health check" and have sex with him to wipe off their sins." Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , and.
 * Scgcho removes "Jung teaches that he is here to finish the restoration history of the Holy Trinity, asserting that he is the messiah of this time period and has the responsibility to save all mankind.". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , , and.
 * Scgcho removes "Jung's teachings are similar to the Unification Church.". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , , , , and.
 * Scgcho removes "it identifies Jung as the Messiah (rather than Sun Myung Moon)". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes " original sin, originating in Eve's intercourse with Satan, can be defeated by having sex with Jung.". Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes "that those who do not "meet" him will not go to Heaven, and warn that any who betray him are committing a grave crime.". Previously something similar was done multiple time by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes "that those who do not "meet" him will not go to Heaven, and warn that any who betray him are committing a grave crime.". Previously something similar was done multiple time by MrTownCar e.g. and.


 * Scgcho removes a Nathalie Luca cite book. Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , , and.
 * Scgcho removes the News Limited cite news titled "Accused rapist cult leader faces extradition to Korea". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes "in a practice which has been described as "fraudulent" by a lawyer.". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g., , and.
 * Scgcho removes "As of 2012, at least 10 women were still being kept for sexual exploitation by church leaders". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes "Police raided eight Providence facilities in Chiba ...". Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar e.g..
 * Scgcho removes "As of 2012, at least 10 women were still being kept for sexual exploitation by church leaders". Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g. and.
 * Scgcho removes "Police raided eight Providence facilities in Chiba ...". Previously something similar was done by MrTownCar e.g..


 * Scgcho further blanks the History section regarding Jung's involvement with the Unification Church. Previously something similar was done multiple times by MrTownCar e.g. and.

The above list of examples is non-exhaustive. Sam Sailor Sing 19:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Enter who on 23:16, 7 April 2014 in  provides Scgcho with guidance on editing the Providence article. IP makes a few minutes later in Providence (religious movement).

Now, why would an IP-user pop up and give advice to a new user? The answer lies in the.


 * IP makes on 14:19, 26 October 2013 removing 10418 bytes from Jung Myung Seok. The exact same edit had been performed 01:50, 21 October 2013 by MrTownCar, . I find it likely that the IP is MrTownCar logged out.
 * IP posts on 11:46, 18 December 2013 in ‎in the section /More problems at the Jung Myung Seok article/. One minute later MrTownCar in  corrects the IP signature to his own. This obviously confirms MrTownCar's use of the IP.
 * The exact same thing happens on 2 March 2014. IP posts 18:26 in . Two minutes later MrTownCar in corrects the IP signature to his own. Another obvious confirmation of MrTownCar's use of this IP.
 * Similarly IP posts on 17:23, 21 January 2014 on . MrTownCar subsequently adds his signature in . A third obvious confirmation of MrTownCar's use of this IP.

If the above behavioural evidence is insufficient to block per DUCK, I suggest a CU request should be made. Sam Sailor Sing 21:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Well done: with diffs and explanations this is easy. Account blocked as an obvious sock. IP clearly used by MrTownCar, and has a long history of disruption anyways, so a long block is warranted. Drmies (talk) 22:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

29 November 2014

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 * was a COI-SPA known for his contentious editing in articles related to Providence (religious movement), an organization he disclosed to be a part of,.
 * During an AN/I discussion, now archived here, MrTownCar fiercely spoke against a ban/block proposal arguing he should be allowed to make COI edit requests instead.
 * He and one other COI editor,, were indef blocked on 26 March 2014 by.
 * His comments in the AN/I thread as well as his comments on his own talk page after being blocked,, gives the impressions of an editor, who to a high degree burns for his cause.
 * In April was blocked per DUCK, see archive.
 * Enter, who as soon as they were auto-confirmed added a somewhat optimistic to Providence (religious movement),.
 * GIOSCali has since restricted their contributions to Providence (religious movement) as did the sockmaster, and these contributions can broadly be divided into two distinct clusters:
 * A. Addition of text in the lead that supposedly should cast doubt about the Korean judicial system,, , , and . The additions were pure OR and were not supported by any sources that had to do with the leader of Providence being sentenced a 10 year prison sentence for raping young, female members of his church. Numerous likewise apologetic additions by the sockmaster concerning the sentencing can be presented if needed.
 * B. Addition of a section titled /Cultural Impact/ placed prominently as the second section. (,, , and .) The addition is in essence identical with a previous addition by the sockmaster that was expanded by the other church member.
 * My suspicion is that we are either dealing with a new case of socking or with meat-puppetry, and if behavioural evidence is not enough I suggest a CU be performed. Sam Sing! 17:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
the diffs you've provided are insufficient to make the connection between GIOSCali and the master or a confirmed sock. In your category A, you provide diffs only of the puppet, none of anyone else. We need pairs. In category B, you do a little better, but the diffs are hardly identical, even though everyone wants to add promotional material about the subject's books. I should add that behavioral similarities are lacking. Now sometimes puppets intentionally change their behavior to mislead, but in this instance, I tend to doubt it because they are clearly willing to edit aggressively the same article.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:01, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
 * as everything is . This one will have to be decided by behaviour.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 23:07, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No response. Closing without prejudice, no action.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)