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25 April 2013

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Msoamu is currently blocked for one week for edit warring on the Barelvi article. I got to the article through a discussion on ANI and noticed th IP edit summary, the use of "rv" in lower case, Msoamu also does this I then looked further and noticed that Am Not New says it is barelvi article as does Msoamu Darkness Shines (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Steve, sorry for the delay in getting back to this, have been busy. Re the IP 110/ Use of the term "blatant" Msoamu, use of the same In edit summarys Msoamu appears to use mostly lower case rather than a capital at the start of a sentence. As does Am Not New I do not have time to dig any deeper. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * I remember MezzoMezzo making the link before, but at the time, I stated I wasn't sure. Regardless of the outcome of this, the IP user needs blocking, both for violating 3RR, and for absurd personal attacks: . The IP editor appears to be more aggressive than Msoamu or Am Not New, but that could very easily be a front. I haven't got time to say any more now. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 07:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * All 3 editors have a similarly poor grasp of English, and none of them seem to edit anything other than these religion-related articles. None of them have been seen online at the same time. At this point, it's all circumstantial. It's hard to find a "smoking gun" in the contribs, as it were, although both Msoamu and the IP have made strong allegations about certain editors (usually MezzoMezzo) being Wahabi. I'm beginning to suspect there is a link, but I reckon that, despite their clear difficulties with English, we're dealing with a very smart person who is able to duck under the radar, as it were. I suppose the other possibility is that there is a link to User:Trust on ALLAH's sock User:Child Star Grown Up, but I feel that is unlikely, based on the contribs. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 18:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Responding to Steven Zhang's request for further information, I would like to provide that information in two parts. First, I will copy my original comments linking the edits as Lukeno mentioned above: "First, User:Msoamu inserted the fatwa section with this edit here. Then, the IP address 119.154.12.124 added the same exact word-for-word paragraph with this edit here with one exception: it also included the paragraph which User:Am Not New included in this edit here. Then an IP address who Am Not New identified as himself on Talk:Barelvi wrote those comments in this edit with the 119.154.12.124 IP, then copy-pasted its own IP address and a link to its contribs with this edit and then finally deleted the IP address sign and signed as Am Not New with this edit." MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * That was regarding the Msoamu-Am Not New-119.154.12.124 connection. Obviously since the Msoamu account is still under a one-week block for edit warring, it hasn't been able to participate in the recent edit warring. Regarding the Msoamu-Am Not New-110.93.215.186 connection, it is a bit of a ride. It started with deletions from the history section of the article, to the same deletions from the history section along with inserting original research, to just pushing the original research - all the exact stuff, just evolving over time:


 * Msoamu 16:22, 21 April 2013
 * Am Not New 08:02, 24 April 2013
 * Am Not New 03:34, 24 April 2013
 * Am Not New 11:51, 24 April 2013
 * 110.93.215.186 07:25, 25 April 2013
 * 110.93.215.186 14:26, 25 April 2013
 * 110.93.215.186 15:54, 25 April 2013
 * 110.93.215.186 00:58, 26 April 2013


 * Taken into account, while it isn't absolute proof I think that it's grounds to engage in a sock check for Msoamu, Am Not New and the two IPs. Considering that Child Star Grown Up and TRUST on Allah were two sockpuppets of the same person blocked for edit warring on the same articles, it might not hurt to include those two just to be safe though their connections is a bit more tenuous. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

please explain connection between language in details. Dil e Muslim  talk  17:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Mr mezzemezzo i think you are making half discusssion here and here is full discussion.in which i explained that the ip 119.154.12.124 is mine and fatwa regarding terrorism is basically added by me here in edit of 10 april.see history Dil e Muslim   talk  17:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

now again you are making half discussion.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Long-running_disputes_at_the_Barelvi_article.2C_and_similar_articles. here] is complete discussion about it.mr admin there is a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Long-running_disputes_at_the_Barelvi_article.2C_and_similar_articles. complaint] against me.so user lukeno90 is making some dramas against me.in fact 110.93.215.186 is related to [user|lukeno94].he is trying to prove me an edit warrior(as i explained earlier ). Dil e Muslim  talk  17:34, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Am Not New, stop editing tendentiously by accusing me of deliberately using IPs to get you in trouble. My IP is not in the 110 range, and any CU clerk has my permission to run a CU to show that I'm not linked to that IP. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 17:42, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

even my ip range is 119.if you are relating it to 110 then listion 110 made his edits on 25,26 april.my ip was 119 before and after these dates. Dil e Muslim  talk  19:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

mr admin please check carefully the relation between msamu and am not new user in above edit list of user mezzomezzo.is it related to me?.as concerned with my relations with 110.93.215.186.dear admin it is self made ip by these users to relate it to me. Dil e Muslim  talk  17:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Am Not New, I have moved your comments per WP:SIGCLEAN. Please don't write your responses in the middle of my own. Also, just for clarification for Steven Zhang, Dil e Muslim is Am Not New. Anyway, Lukeno and I have made our points and I think it's clear. I hope that Zhang will look into this; were I falsely accused of sockpuppetry, I personally would support an SPI simply to proof my own innocence. I think the frantic interruptions of the comments of others here is just more justification for undertaking this SPI of Am Not New, Msoamu and the two IP addresses. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

well i realy think it is not going to work.coz you dont have any evidences.
 * language evidence are just nonsence.
 * where is detail and comparison of language.
 * as concerned with ip 119.154.12.124 a discusion is already made on this issue here and here that it is my ip.
 * as concerned with your list of 8 edits.mr admin decide that is there any relation between moamu edit and am not new's edit.
 * you dont have anyother evidence.
 * as concerned with this ip 110.93.215.186.it is not mine.i dont know about msamu.may be it is made by someanother user to blame me.
 * and now what is the game of trust on allah and child star grown up.
 * look at lukeno94 he is need ip user blocked in SPI.may be he dont know where should he go for this.
 * Mr steven is demanding evidences.please provide more evidences users. Dil e Muslim  talk  22:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I did provide more evidence Am Not New; my post above was after Steven Zhang made his request and we're still waiting for his response. And one of the strongest forms of evidence is how hard you're fighting against this. If you had nothing to hide, it wouldn't be such a big issue for you. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC) well this is a joke that i am fighting i am cool as always.even i am waiting for results.i was just commenting on which you wrote here.you sent a message to zeng he didnt respond it demonstate that his demand is same. Dil e Muslim  talk  17:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * see here.in this edit the word blatent is used two times by user lukeno94 and two times by user mezzomezzo.
 * see here and here use of lowercase in begining of sentences by use lukeno94 and mezzomezzo.provide more edivences please. Dil e Muslim  talk  19:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * If it'll stop you being WP:POINTy everywhere, I'm happy for a CU to check myself against MezzoMezzo if that's what is required to get this sorted (and to stop you attempting to troll) Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

just for information darkness shines is a regular user not a SPI clerk. Dil e Muslim  talk  15:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Can we get a check to see who Am Not New is then? It's clear they're not a new editor, both based on their methods, their stance, and their name, but I don't know if it would count as "fishing". Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 09:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

darkness you are writing in clerk catagory. Dil e Muslim  talk  11:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think DS is an admin, not sure (their userpage suggests they are) - but don't post in that section to point things like that out. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 16:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I will write where I bloody well want to so as to ensure my comments are not lost in the noise, Lukeno94 where on my userpage do you get the idea I am an admin? I am not. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I got confused by the "Handy admin" bit on your userpage, sorry. You probably should not write in that section, but I'd like answers to those questions as well. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 16:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I write in that section on a regular basis, this is not the first SPI I have filed Darkness Shines (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Tim, in what way is Am Not New "interesting"? Is he editing via a webhost or a proxy? Darkness Shines (talk) 09:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the edits on this confirmed sock Shabiha from 2009,, note this spelling error refrences And Am Not New the same In this edit summary toddy1 reverts Am Not New who appears to be removing information previously remved by Shabiha. Another bit of evidence, Shabiha Salafi publication is biased and Non Neutral source Am Not New salafipublications.com is not reliable source Both removing the exact same content. There is no doubt here that Am Not New is a sockpuppet. Darkness Shines (talk) 10:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Linked to Child Star? I'm sure I made that link myself somewhere, can't remember where though, and I could definitely see this being the case. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I really am a moron, since I made that link in this very SPI! Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 19:58, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

mr canen is it seem or real.please keep in mind that there is only one major ISP in pakistan and that is PTCL.are you relating my location. Dil e Muslim  talk  02:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

listion the ip of child star is 182.188.190.59 taken from its investigation page and my ip is 119.154.4.48.there is absolute no relation between range.the only relation which is visible is relation between internet service provider and location.and it is because there is only one ISP in Pakistan that is PTCL.i request another clerks to please check my relation again. Dil e Muslim  talk  06:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

please i request you to see "am not new" and child star relation once again. Dil e Muslim  talk  07:47, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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 * - Looking over the history of the article and the edits from the two accounts, tag-team editing seems possible, but I am not fully convinced that they are the same person. Can you please provide more evidence on what leads you to believe that they are the same user? Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 00:25, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * - Thanks for providing the additional information. I believe there is enough evidence to warrant a check here. Steven   Zhang  Help resolve disputes! 01:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Currently available technical evidence indicates that the following accounts are likely related:

There is something interesting about, but he does not seem to be related to the above accounts. Whether he is related to the 110. IP is for a variety of reasons. T. Canens (talk) 09:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * A very cursory glance makes me think the first 3 are most likely the same, next 2 probably are but not as many edits to go off of, last one only has 3 edits. I'll let another clerk take a closer look. --Rschen7754 09:40, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * DS: not quite. On the other hand, doing a bigger sweep on the range, it seems that Am Not New is very to be related to . T. Canens (talk) 19:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I was asked to make a review of the connection between Am Not New and Child Star Grown Up, and considering behavioral evidence with it, is, if not very likely. I will also note that it appears the Am Not New account used a proxy to be create their account, which is quite suspicious. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  16:07, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I've blocked Msoamu, Shabiha, and Sunnibarelvi as sockpuppets per the combination of checkuser and behavioral evidence, including tag-team edit warring and creating fake articles in userspace (Sunnibarelvi). Salafieditor and Salafieditor1, while obviously the same as each other, do not appear to be socks of Msoamu. They look more like a case of a lost password than anything else. Zenithworld simply has no real edits to go by. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:49, 3 May 2013 (UTC)