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07 April 2016

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Both Muffin Wizard and Molecule Extraction have an obsession with Sabah and Sultanate of Sulu articles. A month after Muffin Wizard was caught in a dispute in Jamalul Kiram III, Molecule Extraction was created. This may have been done to circumvent WP:consensus and avoid a WP:block. The both have an obsession with me and User talk:HistoriaFilipinas, they both have created/edited two images related to the Moro and Communist conflicts in the Philippines. Molecule Extraction also made an effort mention Muffin Wizard in Talk:Johor Bahru/GA1. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 00:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * This creepy message just appeared. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 06:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Then this user continue to a part accusing me of being a sockpuppet, note to administrators here that there is currently a report on Shhhhwwww!! regarding his disruptive editing. Molecule Extraction (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I am going to need more time but it seems that they edit the same Malaysia articles. The Johor Bahru made me suspicious since the person who nominated it for GA status Muffin Wizard and it was Molecule Extraction who finished the job. The latter user say that they are using public IPs so this is a more a case of WP:Meatpuppetry that outright sockpuppetry. The constant reference to User:HistoriaFilipinas just blows my mind since only a few users are aware of that yet they keep on reference it.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 04:46, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

MuffinWizard and Molecule Extraction have a very big overlap in what articles they edit. MuffinWizard stoppped editing just before Molecule Extraction was created. On Sabah, MuffinWizard added a lot of information sourced with sources that did not support the claims, and Molecule Extraction later editwarred with Shhhhwwww!! over it. I don't know what warrants a deeper investigation and a CheckUser, and Shhhhwwww!! has a history of forumshopping and needless creation of RfC's and even an ArbCom filing over nothing. But I do agree that the similarities between MuffinWizard and Molecule Extraction are there. That said there is one thing missing here: How are the accounts used abusively? MuffinWizard stopped editing before Molecule Extraction was created. --OpenFuture (talk) 06:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * There was supposed to have been consesus after this discussion but Muffin Wizard vanished after that seemingly avoiding responsibility. How is an article to reach NPOV is an opposing editor uses tactics like that. There are many time I tried to reason with Muffin Wizard/Molecule Exttaction but every time I get personal attacks. It's frustrating. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:16, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This user seemingly harbors Anti-Filipino sentiment and pushes for a pro-Malaysia perspective in articles that are shared by both countries. The Sabah article is a testament to that. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sorry for the "forumshopping and needless creation of RfC's and even an ArbCom filing" but I really needed help. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 07:27, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, you need to follow Wikipedia policy. It works. --OpenFuture (talk) 07:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Evidence:

Here's the connection with Ramos Emanuelito and Muffin Wizard:
 * Muffin Wizard
 * Ramos Emanuelito
 * Muffin Wizard
 * Both accounts are invloved in a smear campaign against me linking me to HistoriaFilipinas. Ramos Emanuelito seems to have been created for that sole purpose. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Molecule Extraction made a reference to this exact event in the current case against me. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:22, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It is interesting to note that Molecule Extraction is already an expert on many aspects of Wikipedia, such as WP:Good articles, when it was only created on December 20, 2015. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems weird that this user has some much knowledge about the North Borneo, Philippines case when it came to existence months after that event.Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:27, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The connection with linking Wakanebe Wizard to the others is much weaker but what connects it to the others is the broken English used by each user in comments. It is weird that every one of them use the mannerism saying "very funny" as if they are the same person. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:32, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * All three accounts are involved with WP:Content disputes with me in the article Al Hajj Murad Ebrahim, the only other major editors in that article. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:36, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Wakanebe Wizard
 * Muffin Wizard
 * Molecule Extraction
 * Both User:Ramos Emanuelito and User:HistoriaFilipinas appear to be smear accounts so they have to be blocked to prevent any more abuse. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:38, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So, just because many editors against your disruptive editing, you accuse me of being part of the related accounts. As well because a note I put in my userpage. Didn't I have mention to you in a disruptive report of your behaviour on how I know your re-creation of the North Borneo, Philippines article. Alright then, just check me to make you satisfied. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As they say: "Everything comes in threes." Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:45, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * But how can Ramos Emanuelito be a "smear account"? That user has made ZERO EDITS ANYWHERE!? To be honest, this filing is incorehent, and doesn't reflect good on you. I understand why you think Muffin Wizard and Molecule Extraction is the same user, but for the rest of the users you list, you have nothing. Literally nothing. --OpenFuture (talk) 06:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @OpenFuture, Ramos Emanuelito appeared immediately after my previous block expired and their first and only edits are to tag me and HistoriaFilipinas as sockpuppets. Click on the userpages, they are already deleted but that's because there were no evidence to justify them in the first place. HistoriaFilipinas is just a go to when Muffin Wizard files a case against me to specify that I am "pro-Sulu Sultanate" the fact that they are the only one who commented HistoriaFilipinas' talkpage is extremely suspicious especially since it was followed a successive sockpuppetry cases against me. The two are obvious sleeper accounts that are there to disrupt editing. I don't know who the master/s are but the fingers are pointing towards Muffin Wizard. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You are just paranoid. There is absolutely nothing to connect Ramos Emanuelito or HistoriaFilipinas to Muffin Wizard. HistoriaFilipinas even made several non-sensical edits to Sabah, which was reverted. Guess by whom? Right. Muffin Wizard. Your claim HistoriaFilipinas is a sockpuppet of Muffin Wizard is nonsense, bordering on insanity. Unfortunately this completely undermines the argument for Molecule Extraction being a sockpuppet as well, nobody is going to take that seriously. I think he is, but since Muffin Wizard has stopped editing, I'm going to assume it's a wp:cleanstart even though Muffin Wizards account doesn't state that it's been closed. --OpenFuture (talk) 06:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I am going to strike those two out but if they start editing again (against me) they are coming back here. How are Muffin Wizards actions a clean start when they continued exactly the same behavior as Molecule Extraction. They are clearly trying to avoid something. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 09:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "I am going to strike those two out but if they start editing again (against me) they are coming back here." - You seem to laboring under the illusion that everyone who disagrees with you must be a sockpuppet. That's not how it works. --OpenFuture (talk) 17:28, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And Why Im The One who Involved With this idiot.Kevin,Im Not Part of this.Please Clear My Name.WarMarine Raptor 3 (talk) 04:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * OpenFutrue Why Im Involved That This Idiot Shwwwww! Put On My Name and Im Just Talked With User Molecule.Muffin Wizard and Molocule Extision Are Not SockPuppets.Only User Shwwww! Are Dumb as Phillipine are the worse People Ever.WarMarine Raptor 3 (talk) 08:07, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

@ Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots,  GABHello!,  Vanjagenije   (talk) , Tokyogirl79, RioHondo, please give some feedback. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:19, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * @Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c), I am going to need more time to provide more evidence. The situation is kinda tense right now and an interval of days eases it. I am also de-stressing and avoiding Wikipedia. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 05:26, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why I was pinged here, but I can verify that Ramos Emanuelito is obviously someone's sock. I filed an SPI on this recently, but the technical results were "Ramos Emanuelito is the only account on the associated IP and everything in the archive is stale." It was closed with no action because the behavioral evidence wasn't sufficient. I don't know the history of all of this, but I figured that Ramos Emanuelito had to be linked to the 23prootie case or Shhhhwwww!! and HistoriaFilipinas somehow. GABHello! 19:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, but there is no reason to think it's MuffinWizards sock. And HistoryFilipinas is quote obviously NOT MuffinWizards sock, unless MuffinWizard has multiple personality disorder. --OpenFuture (talk) 05:18, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm with GAB- I don't really have a huge amount of knowledge as to what's going on, but it seems likely that Emanuelito is someone's sock. The question is whose, though. Editing the same articles doesn't always mean that one is a sockpuppet, although I will say that Muffin Wizard and Molecule Extraction have edited a lot of the same content. However clean starts are permitted on Wikipedia as long as the user follows guidelines in their new account. I haven't really examined the accounts' edits in depth, but if this is about them potentially making bad edits under a new account, that's an issue for ANI and not SPI. I don't really know that HistoriaFilipinas is Muffin Wizard's sock, given that Muffin nominated two of their articles for deletion. It's possible, but unlikely that they're related. I don't think that there's a really enough here to say that the accounts are linked and that they're violating anything that would require SPI intervention. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  00:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * - I'm not seeing much connection. SPI is not the venue for discussing anything other than accusations of sockpuppetry. Can you provide diffs, at least one per account? Ramos Emanuelito doesn't appear to have any edits anywhere. What connects that account? Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 04:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved your comment above as this section is for clerks, CUs, and admins only. I'm rather skeptical of this SPI, and unless solid diffs show up, I'll be closing this with no action within a few days. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 05:00, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Is that all of your evidence? Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 04:24, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just noting for future reference, has without commenting removed their own name from the investigation, which was added by filer unilaterally and without noting it anywhere. No need to re-add the name for now, but please don't make changes to the list of suspected socks without at least noting it in a comment. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 04:50, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Since I'm not seeing anything past Tokyogirl's comment, I am closing this without further action. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 11:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)