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23 May 2014

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Same editing pattern as User:Wifotoki, SPA created in 2011 and then inactive until today editing Mitsubishi Magna. Bahooka (talk) 13:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * It looks like everyone has been blocked. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 23:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

26 May 2014

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These are all SPAs that edit Mitsubishi Magna, often pretending to be different people to create the impression of greater support for their POV. They have been active for several years, but I never bothered to report them in January 2011 when I noticed the link as the different accounts were not being used maliciously. See: User talk:MundusEditus, WP:ANI report, Talk:Mitsubishi Magna, User talk:Drmies. All have been blocked, but Drmies asked me to lodge this investigation. OSX (talk • contributions) 02:55, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

The following relate to edits at Mitsubishi Magna recently:
 * 16:35–16:35, 12 April 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.113.2.57 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Vodafone) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (1 edit).


 * 17:17–17:57, 12 April 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.113.0.133 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Vodafone) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (11 edits).


 * 18:02–18:02, 12 April 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.113.1.120 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Vodafone) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (1 edit).


 * 16:58–18:59, 24 April 2014 — Special:Contributions/58.169.210.27 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (8 edits) and Adelaide.


 * 08:34–08:42, 25 April 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.103.44.216 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (2 edits) — changed image.


 * 12:58–13:00, 04 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.103.32.4 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — edited Mitsubishi Magna (2 edits) and others, including Ayrton Senna — reinstated image.


 * 15:05–17:31, 04 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/101.103.16.181 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — edited Mitsubishi Magna (4 edits) and Ayrton Senna — reinstated image:,.


 * 09:47–18:55, 05 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/1.123.19.58 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — edited Mitsubishi Magna (10 edits) and others, including Ayrton Senna — reinstated image:, , , ,


 * 01:37, 6 May 2014 – 17:14, 21 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/152.91.9.115 — from Canberra, Australian Capital Territory (Verizon) — edited Mitsubishi Magna (8 edits) and others — reinstated image:, , , , ,.
 * 152.91.9.115 also edited Mitsubishi Magna on 7 March 2011,,.


 * 04:01, 6 May 2014 – 13:57, 9 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/MundusEditus — from Australian Capital Territory (unknown ISP) — edited Mitsubishi Magna (29 edits), Mitsubishi 380, and Ayrton Senna — reinstated image:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,.
 * MundusEditus also edited Mitsubishi Magna on 28–29 January 2011,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,.


 * 15:10, 6 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/121.214.211.219 — from Adelaide, South Australia (Telstra) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (1 edit), but pretending to be an independent person, new to the debate.


 * 12:43, 7 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/P8-poseidon — unknown location (unknown ISP) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (1 edit), again, pretends to be an independent person, new to the debate.


 * 13:08–13…17, 12 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/108.60.134.187 — from New York, USA (Atlantic Metro Communications, probably a proxy) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (3 edits), again, pretends to be an independent person, new to the debate.


 * 04:02–13…07, 22 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/Wifotoki — unknown location (unknown ISP) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna (3 edits) — again, pretends to be an independent person, new to the debate.
 * Wifotoki also edited Mitsubishi Magna on 29 January 2011, the same day as MundusEditus. Both MundusEditus and Wifotoki stopped editing after 29 January 2011 and did not recommence until May 2014.


 * 18:44, 22 May 2014 – 16:18, 23 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/Ness1un0 — unknown location (unknown ISP) — only edited Mitsubishi Magna and related pages.
 * Ness1un0 also edited Mitsubishi Magna on 27–28 January 2011, the same time as MundusEditus and Wifotoki. Like MundusEditus and Wifotoki, Ness1un0 stopped editing after 28 January 2011 and did not recommence until May 2014.


 * 15:24–16:14, 23 May 2014 — Special:Contributions/LE3 — unknown location (unknown ISP) — edited Ford Falcon (AU) and Holden Commodore (also Australian cars).
 * LE3 also edited Mitsubishi Magna on 9 March 2008 and did not recommence editing until May 2014, using other articles in attempt to go undetected as a sockpuppet.

So we have a bunch of IPs/accounts that all edited around the same time (April and May 2014, plus late January 2011), they seem to all be from either Adelaide or Canberra in Australia, suggesting a travelling editor. I say this because IPs tracing back to Adelaide and Canberra both edited Mitsubishi Magna and Ayrton Senna (a Brazilian racing driver). There is also the evidence of either asking a friend in New York to edit on their behalf or by using a proxy to edit. OSX (talk • contributions) 07:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * - King of  &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * - On the accounts to catch any sleepers. Also perhaps see if any ranges and/or proxies can be blocked. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 21:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've run the checks, however I was unable to find any sleeper accounts. In regard to range blocks, I'm not sure, but I suspect that it would cause too much disruption. PhilKnight (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The accounts are all already blocked, and a checkuser says no range block can be made. Nothing more to do here. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:10, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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Warring attitude, now on the talk page instead of in summaries. Exact same article, Mitsubishi Magna, reg'ed a week after last sock was blocked. I've commented on policy issue on the talk page so bringing here, but looks like a duck to me. Dennis Brown &#124; 2¢ &#124; WER  17:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Sock blocked and tagged per WP:DUCK Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:14, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

26 January 2016

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User:MundusEditus has a history of using sockpuppet accounts, as can be seen at Sockpuppet investigations/MundusEditus/Archive. His last confirmed account, User:Editoriummm, was blocked on 22 June 2014.

Originally, there was a dispute about adding prices to Mitsubishi Magna at Talk:Mitsubishi Magna in June 2014, for which a consensus was reached to not include prices. With this consensus, five editors discussed why prices should not be included, and User:Editoriummm was the sole editor wishing otherwise. Due to a history of malicious edits and evasion of blocks, Editoriummm was blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of User:MundusEditus. Rather than respecting the consensus, MundusEditus and his various sock puppets have been adding this information back to the Mitsubishi Magna page over time.


 * Firstly, here as User:OzeeC4R at 13:22, 30 August 2014.

This was quickly reverted by me.


 * Then on 23 November 2014, User:CtrlXctrlV contacted me on my talk page asking if the prices could be re-added. I soon responded, mentioning that I had nothing more say and that my position had not changed since the earlier consensus.

These prices were then added back on 7 March 2015 by User:OzieeCAR (a different account to User:OzeeC4R):


 * Here as User:OzeeCAR at 11:41, 7 March 2015.
 * Here as User:OzeeCAR at 12:01, 7 March 2015.
 * Here as User:OzeeCAR at 12:32, 7 March 2015.
 * Here as User:OzeeCAR at 12:45, 7 March 2015.
 * Here again as User:OzeeCAR, et cetera.

During this time, I was not monitoring the article closely and the additions went unnoticed.
 * This claim is ENTIRELY FALSE as a close perusal of the Page History will show - OSX has been merrily editing the article all over the place, including around the referenced price information. Another fanciful and unsubstantiated claim, along with the bulk of this report. CtrlXctrlV (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

In the process of removing inaccurate and biased information by User:CtrlXctrlV today, I also removed the prices again as per the earlier consensus.


 * User:CtrlXctrlV soon reverted these changes, like this.

The one thing all the accounts have in common, is the editing of Mitsubishi Magna. However, there most of the articles edited show patterns:


 * CtrlXctrlV (contributions) frequently edits most of the pages that Editoriummm (contributions) edited: e.g. Bianchi Bicycles - diff, Ford Falcon (Australia) - diff, Ford Territory - diff, Holden Commodore (VT) - diff, Ford Falcon (AU) - diff, Toyota 86 - diff, Holden Monaro - diff, Opel Omega - diff.


 * CtrlXctrlV (contributions) frequently edits ALL of the pages that Ness1un0 (contributions) edited: Mitsubishi 6G7 engine - diff, Mitsubishi 380 - diff, Mitsubishi Astron engine - diff.


 * CtrlXctrlV (contributions) frequently edits ALL of the pages that LE3 (contributions) edited: Ford Falcon (AU) - diff, Holden Commodore - diff.

There are also various IPs that show much the same overlap, but I am sure there is enough evidence here already.

Given that these three accounts were created for the sole purpose of evading the blocks made to the earlier accounts, I believe these accounts are in breach of policy. OSX (talk • contributions) 05:43, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, but your BAD FAITH report on the basis of the above investigations—for retaliation purposes—are laughable. In your very own talk page, we have spoken about and you have acknowledged this, so it's no Sherlock Holmes mystery. We have mutually praised each other for over 1 year, until the other day, when you became unhappy with a discussion I opened in Mitsubishi Magna, because of your absurd claim that a fully-referenced quotation was "false". Again, for over 1 year, this is and has been the only Wikipedia account used as you have well known. I have done nothing wrong in all this time, and learnt a whole lot more along the way (making tons of contributions, from enhancing articles, to creating new ones and nominating others for deletion), even thanking you in some instances. I think I only recently even thanked you for "reforming" me... which, again, is in your Talk Page (unless you have deleted it, as you delete warnings issued to you). If anyone can point to any major transgression made in all this time, happy to face the consequences - either way, you are very much an accomplice having known of this "CtrlXCtrlv" (sole) identity, and dishonestly keeping it up your sleeves for childish revenge.

Here are some interesting extracts of the things you said to me, as CtrlXctrlV:
 * User talk:OSX "Finally, please stop uploading copyright violations to Wikimedia Commons. You know what I am talking about." "@CtrlXctrlV, the images at Wiki Commons have now been deleted. I strongly suggest that you DO NOT upload anymore copyright violations in the future. I have not filed any formal complaint this time, but if it happens again you will leave me with no choice but to do this. You will probably end up with a block."

I never uploaded any of the reported and deleted pictures on WikiCommons, as CtrlXctrlV, but with any one of the above listed ID's. This is therefore the first time that OSX indicated he knew of "my background" - this dates back to 13:28, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


 * User talk:OSX "There no need to apologise for your edits. While it is true that your edits fill up my watchlist more than anyone else lately, this is a good thing. Thank you very much for all of the many improvements made to Australian car pages this year." - this dates back to 13:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Can a reporting user really have it both ways? i.e. duly praise when things go well, then whinge and report others only when in disagreement (as is presently the case with a vigorous discussion I started at Talk:Mitsubishi Magna). Very poor form... Note that here, OSX clearly refers to the this year, thus going back further in time, when I did not yet register as CtrlXctrlV


 * User talk:OSX "Thanks for sharing these scans. I understand that adding sources is tedious, but information can be deleted at anytime if it is unsourced. In the long-term, if it is unsourced, it will not stay. Your effort has considerably improved the Magna page, so on that regard thank you." and I responded stating "Just a joint effort, here and in the other articles where we crossed path :) And take credit for also "reforming" me... going back to the early days!" - this dates back to 02:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Those "early days" are, of course, pre-CtrlXctrlV days.

Finally, also see Talk:Mitsubishi Magna, where OSX stated "There are policies and guidelines around for a reason, there is an expectation that you stick to them. Earlier we had issues over photos and WP:CARPIX,"

The WP:CARPIX also did not happen while registered as "CtrlXctrlV", and this is another admission of his knowledge of "my background". Shouldn't contraventions be reported swiftly and not vengefully? Again, in over 1 year, I do not believe I have acted improperly and I hope that will be given some weight, with the whole situation considered impartially.

Leaving aside my misconduct (if any), is the OSX's own conduct really becoming of a Wiki user, especially one as "experienced" as he is? Surely not? He was once before reprimanded for engaging in war editing... but learning lessons must come hard to some people. I have not held any grudges, as I hope is evident from the numerous "Thanks" I also sent to OSX over time after our "early days". I do ask, however, that he be duly reported/reprimanded/sanctioned, but only in the event of any drastic action against me. Otherwise, live and let live... I shall leave it to others to be vindictive keyboard warriors or similar. CtrlXctrlV (talk) 06:36, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - as I read this garbled account of yours, it sounds as if you fully acknowledge sockpuppetry. If not, please clarify what you mean by statements such as "the WP:CARPIX also did not happen while registered as CtrlXctrlV".  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  08:54, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * , I just commented on Talk:Mitsubishi Magna advising you of these clarifications and pointing out your contemptuos and biased comments there. Be that as it may, at least here you have asked (nicely) to clarify what I wrote in haste (I don't live on Wiki 24/7, sorry). I am not any of the users associated with MundusEditus. The point I was making was, if OSX thought otherwise in this 1+ year surely it was encumbant on him to do something long before now. I tried (in haste) to point out that the person he had gripes with (who also had input in Wiki Commons) was another user. It is wrong and baseless to rely everything on whatever overlap there is between me and MundusEditus (whom I have been in contact through car forums, if that matters much). I have done and gone beyond the articles quoted, with my interests also laying in Formula 1 and overseas vehicles. Could someone enlighten me how I can too check IPs of the above identities and mine? If not, Mr.choppers, leave it to admins without adding fuel to the fire - as usual. Checking in tomorrow now. Cheerio, CtrlXctrlV (talk) 11:44, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Really? So why did you state above that: "those "early days" are, of course, pre-CtrlXctrlV days." and "I never uploaded any of the reported and deleted pictures on WikiCommons, as CtrlXctrlV, but with any one of the above listed ID's"—which clarifies that you did use other accounts that I listed above.


 * The reason why I did not report you earlier was two-fold.
 * 1) I am a believer in second chances, and I wanted to give you the opportunity to reform. I am personally concerned about the decline in editors here at Wikipedia and I wanted to try and do what was best for the project by trying to hold onto as many editors as possible. For a while you were going alright and I did give you many tips along the way. However, I was concerned about your tendency to take ownership of pages and the number of conflicts that you managed to tie yourself into. This of course upset many users along the way because of your inability to review policies and to accept consensus made by the wider community. As it became increasingly clear that you were becoming more difficult to deal with and ignoring the policies that we must all follow, my position to remain quiet became untenable.


 * 2) It is quite burdensome to file a sockpuppet investigation. I have wasted hours today doing this, time I could have spent improving articles. It requires one to gather lots of evidence, and it was not until you had reverted the prices information again under CtrlXctrlV that I felt I could make a case justifying the similarities with confidence.


 * It is certainly true that the WP:NOPRICES consensus was the final straw for me because five other editors (including an admin) had asked you not to add the prices, and you kept doing so (no other editor agreed with your stance). Since the start of the year when I began editing the Magna article in detail, it has been my intention to revisit this issue. As of today, you still refuse to accept the consensus and continue to revert my removal of these prices (maintaining that as they are referenced they are okay) and you obviously hold your own opinions above the rest of the community. As we are all volunteers working together, there is only so much we can put up with. Your behaviour is not acceptable, and this needs to be put out there. Thank you and kind regards, OSX (talk • contributions) 12:30, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I did not ever understand the case to be that, once a discussion has taken its course that is the end of it. The 2014 WP:NOPRICES discussion you refer to, that has curiously involved MR.CHOPPERS and which you fancifully associate me with (becayse of the unrelated crime of having separately added further references to make the content more robust and credible, much to your unclear displeasure), is reopened - particularly as, I have come to learn that WP:NOPRICES is neither compulsory nor definitive. What is your excuse for holding back for some 12 months against me, until this moment, for a separate discussion you were and are wrong about? Sour grapes? CtrlXctrlV (talk) 16:06, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Comment - MundusEditus and CtrlXctrlV also share an interest in Ayrton Senna, see here and here and here and as a sockpuppet ip.  Mr.choppers &#124;  ✎  19:46, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Again, can someone please direct me to what tools there are to make these IP allegations? Would be nice to have a fair opportunity to rebut same. see above - I did disclose F1 interests.  It's a sad state of affairs when people on here act as judge and jury... and even hide things off their Talk Pages (which, I do understand, can be deleted anytime but still. Hiding things says a lot about your modus operandi, if not bullying). I'll await any admin's say with total peace of mind regardless of final outcome, especially given the contributions made, which yourself saw fit to thank me for. Again, it's incredibly bizzare how one has it both ways and cries foul only when things don't go to their accord. In that regard, you're a poor model.  CtrlXctrlV (talk) 14:12, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

if i may add a comment, if you check my user page, he replied there instead of replying to his talk page. I believe it was intentional, considering he KNEW that he could have replied to his talk page. However, he commented there, knowing i would not check there. The block is justified. Winterysteppe (talk) 03:40, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked and tagged CtrlXctrlV mainly based on behavior, but with some past technical evidence in the mix. I find the evidence presented here and my own review of the various accounts very persuasive. I am taking no action against the other two accounts. They haven't edited in a long time, and to make a finding about them seems like a waste of time. If for some reason they resume editing, this case may be reopened. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)