Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nalanidil/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
First of all, both accounts mainly focus on Romani-related and Turkish-related articles. In a prior discussion i had with User:Nalanidil, i learned that he/she is a Turkish Roma (diff), which explains the interest in such topics. Even though User:Nalanidil was blocked indefinitely on 14 September 2022, his/her activity continued in other projects; particularly the Simple English Wikipedia. He/she was eventually blocked there as well, on 23 December 2022. What's interesting, is that User:Rom_baro was created two days later, on 25 December 2022 (CA). Even though the account is quite new, with only 56 edits (in the English Wikipedia), there is already overlap in many pages. I could go into more detail, but let's examine only a couple of examples:


 * The article Turkish Roma was essentially created – out of a former redirect – by User:Nalanidil, on 3 September 2022. He/she stopped working on it on 8 September; about a week prior of his/her block. As aforementioned, User:Rom_baro gets created on 25 December, and four days later on the 29th, his/her second edit is in that rather obscure article (diff); later more edits followed.
 * In Talk:Vallahades, both User:Nalanidil (diff) and User:Rom_baro (diff) shared the same YouTube video. It was published three years ago, and it has about 7,540 views; so, it cannot be seen as very popular. User:Nalanidil also shared the same YouTube video in my talk page, on two different occasions (diff1, diff2). In both of those occasions, he/she said that the video had English subtitles; just like User:Rom_baro did.

Furthermore, a quack i noticed is that they both use the expression "thanky" instead of "thank you"; see and here. Last, somewhat ironic, is that User:Nalanidil tagged a number of times his/her user page with, even though he/she kept editing. For example, from 2022:


 * 16:12, 16 January 2022
 * 16:25, 19 January 2022
 * 15:11, 29 March 2022
 * 13:21, 28 August 2022

The are a number of possibilities that could explain this behavior:


 * It could be due to ephemeral frustration.
 * It could be a defensive mechanism in order to hide from discussions; as suggested by User:Singularity42.
 * It could be due to having plans for the creation of a new account, in order to avoid scrutiny.
 * It could be due to having plans for the creation of a new account as a clean start.

So, there might even be sleepers waiting to be revived. Demetrios1993 (talk) 13:51, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Nalanidil is, so CheckUser won't tell us anything useful here. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:50, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There was some data available for Nalanidil. These are ✅:
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * --Blablubbs (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Camera Worker (talk) 18:11, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅ and blocked. Also indeffed the filer for being someone else's sock. --Blablubbs (talk) 18:20, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The SandDoctor Talk 21:34, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Very similar edits on Gagauz people, focused on genetics, to previously-blocked sockpuppet account.

Also of suspicion is the fact this user made four article edits, then six further edits in rapid succession on random articles focusing on just adding or removing a space. This is the behaviour of someone looking to reach autoconfirmed status. 10mmsocket (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Pushing same fringe POV regarding language replacement with sources that don't really say what he says they say., . Closing. DatGuyTalkContribs 11:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Both Nalanidil and this user are interested in articles about the Romani people. Both have edited Muslim Romani people (diffs, ). As with Nalanidil, uses poor sourcing on some of their edits, and misinterpreting sources —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 11:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * All of these are ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 15:57, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * They're all the same Romani/Turk ethnic stuff. Blocking them all as confirmed, glocks requested. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Overlaps
 * Balkan-related topics
 * Muslims
 * Unreliable sourcing (diffs above + ) —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 21:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * These are all ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 21:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * -- RoySmith (talk) 22:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
The behavioral patterns of Roßwintha seem exactly the same as Nalanidil (who's case has been archived at: Sockpuppet investigations/Nalanidil/Archive.) See examples:, , , Same POV, same phrasing, etc. Netherzone (talk) 15:54, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This is the first time I've filed a SPI report, hope it is done correctly (I used Twinkle). Netherzone (talk) 15:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * -, you've provided several diffs of the suspected puppet, but you need to provide similar diffs of the master or blocked puppets. Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * , it's OK, I asked them to file this. These three are all ✅ .   -- RoySmith (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Confesses to being a Nalanidil sockuppet:

"I'am the blocked user @Nalanidil, all of my other Nicknames I used also blocked, as much I create a new one they find that out and blocked me again. The reason, I was blocked, because I also want to change the name Romani to Roma people, and many Users was against me, especially TagarworShah."  Tagawor  Shah  (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Nalanidil also confessed to Nafteta being a sock of hers as well here :  Tagawor  Shah  (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Hey, how can @Nalanidil (also @Horahane and @Nafteta) get a legitimate account? From here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1161435286 " I get that those comments can constitute personal attacks No personal attacks but I think this person has potential to be a good wikipedia user if she tones down her comments and is more neutral. I also feel kinda guilty that I gave the link to our discussion but it's also proof that I'm not a sockpuppet of hers. Can @Nalanidil be reinstated if she stops making sockpuppet accounts and sticks to one account? Ninhursag3 (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, and is more neutral and doesn't resort to personal attacks? Ninhursag3 (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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I am 100% certain that is one of Nalanidil's socks, Same personal attacks, same behavioral clues. ,, , , ,. It also seems that there may be coordinated editing between User:Ninhursag3 and Nalanadil's socks, but that is for an admin to decide. ,, Netherzone (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I 100% have no sockpuppet accounts, I talk to people on their talk page if I want support. The people I talked to on their talk page have way older accounts than mine, so they're obviously not sockpuppets. I will stop defending Nalanadil even if I agree with her on a topic, because of her other flaws: her sockpuppet accounts and personal attacks towards others.
 * I didn't coordinate with her at all, we just agree on a topic, but unlike her, I made no personal attacks or created sockpuppets.
 * I also have other interests, I have edited hundreds of articles and made important contributions to a dozen articles that are different from each other, different topics. Ninhursag3 (talk) 19:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Then please stop encouraging Nalanidil's socks to "just edit from one account" which implies a method for them to avoid detection but to continue editing. And please do not encourage their sock puppets to vote in favor of your position on MOVE proposals  Netherzone (talk) 20:30, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't imply anything near a method for them to avoid detection, on the contrary I told Nalanidil to be transparent and stop using sockpuppets and behave herself. Because of her bad behaviour of creating sockpuppets people thought I was her and I almost lost my wikipedia account. Ninhursag3 (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * At the time I thought Horahane and Nafteta were different people and didn't know about this Nalanidil user creating sockpuppets. Now I know they were Nalanidil's sockpuppets. Ninhursag3 (talk) 12:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
--Blablubbs (talk) 20:03, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * These are all ✅ to Nalanidil:
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.
 * ,, closing.


 * Also . --Blablubbs (talk) 20:10, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * and . --Blablubbs (talk) 20:15, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Also noting that I'm marking Nalanidil als 3X'd. --Blablubbs (talk) 20:50, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
I strongly suspect this account is a sock puppet of Nalanidil based on its conduct, writing style, and interests. This new account created soon after the second to last Nalanidil SPI blocked another group of socks, created their page saying they were a "Vlach Historian" similar to the Nalandil sock Vlax Romani.

Diffs and show a similar editing style and command of the English language as well as similar interests in the naming of Romani people.

This diff of an insistence to put the Lom-Dom-Rom theory in the lead section of the Romani people article is reminiscent of their former sock User:Lom-Dom-Rom. Nalandil was also a frequent editor on the pages of Dom people, the Dom caste in India, Lom people, and Romani people in Romania, Megleno-Romanians which all match up with Ninhursag3's interests.

This diff shows a similar spacing, writing and linking style to the message Nalanidil left on my talk page.

This diff also shows the same attitude that got Nalanidil banned from Romani people in the first place, acting like they are the singular expert on all things Romani people (moreso than historians), inserting their own original research to the article and reverting their edits back instead of discussing them on the talk page.

Ninhursag also shares the same dislike for Ian Hancock's research on Romani people being held as the standard as Nalanidil and all her socks, she and all the socks strongly insisted that these article were written from a non-Romani perspective as Ninhursag is doing here.

And while I cant find the specific diff, I strongly remember that Nalanidil made a point to tell me and other contributors that she was a woman and that she felt her edits were being marginalized because of it and the user page of Ninhursag seems to nod to that. 

I am also requesting a checkuser because it is known that Nalanidil uses the same IP address for most of her accounts, which is why a global lock was requested earlier. Sorry if the diffs arent the best, I am fairly new to the SPI process, thank you.  Tagawor  Shah  (talk) 16:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * How can I prove I'm a distinct person and not anyone's sock puppet? I edited many pages that don't concern just the Roma/Gypsies, but also Romanians, Thracians, Dacians etc etc. Ninhursag3 (talk) 14:55, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * " I strongly remember that Nalanidil made a point to tell me and other contributors that she was a woman and that she felt her edits were being marginalized because of it and the user page of Ninhursag seems to nod to that." Ok, so women can't edit on wikipedia now? There are so few women on wikipedia that they are all the sock puppet accounts of just one female user? Ninhursag3 (talk) 14:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I was notified by @Horahane here: User talk:Ninhursag3
 * I think it's a very cowardly move by @TagaworShah done in bad faith. Also: Please do not bite the newcomers
 * I'm gonna be proven to be a real user, not a sockpuppet so I don't mind a user check, but if it was done in bad faith aka Vandalism, what repercussions will @TagaworShah suffer? Ninhursag3 (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Some of the articles I edited: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Romanians&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thracians&action=history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Hunyadi&action=history Ninhursag3 (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * -- RoySmith (talk) 23:33, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * There's enough dissimilarity (e.g. timecard) that I'm not confident enough just based on this report. I suppose this is a controversial area, and multiple editors sharing point of view, and maybe also having a similar cultural background, is pretty plausible. . MarioGom (talk) 23:55, 15 August 2023 (UTC)