Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naturalpsychology/Archive

Evidence submitted by LTSally
Either through ineptitude or an attempt at deception, I believe User:Naturalpsychology is using an IP address, User:69.116.69.75, to add edits in support of his statements at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses. An edit made here under the IP address contained an incompelete sentence. Minutes later the sentence was completed under the Naturalpsychology username. Further unsigned comments were added from that IP address here, here and here. I have left a message at the talk page of User talk:69.116.69.75 asking whether it was a sock puppet account. There was no response and further edits from that IP address were made after that message. I pointed out on the JW talk page here that the IP address was located in Newark, NJ, which is where Naturalpsychology says he lives. The second-last edit from the IP address removed the reference to Newark with the comment "Would rather not have my whereabouts broadcast, thanks." (An odd comment if it was an innocent response from a logged-out Naturalpsychology, considering his userpage identifies Newark as his home town). At this posting Naturalpsychology admits he made some edits before logging on, but whether through deliberate obtuseness or some other reason he claims he is being wrongly confused with another user, Hell in a Bucket, and denies sock puppetry.

As evidenced from bot messages and reminders from editors on his talk page, Naturalpsychology seems reluctant to sign his postings and is careless about signing in, but he seems now to be trying to avoid acknowledging that the IP address in question is his, and thus leaving other editors to assume the IP address ia a separate user. LTSally (talk) 22:59, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

I don't really understand what the issue is. I posted clarifying remarks in the talk page on the specific issues in question. Is it wrong to insert a comment in the paragraph? Or do you have to do it always at the end of the paragraph? If I did that I didn't realize that you shouldn't, not sure what the issue is.

I thought sockpuppetry was when you are running two accounts, and pretending to be someone else, to cooberate your own edits, like a double personality?

In any case, I explained on LTSally's complaint on his page, I have one computer, I have one account. I used to have Naturalpsychology, I renamed it to Natural. I asked that LTSally's page be removed because it has all types of insuting words and accusations against Jehovah's Witnesses. I asked him a number of times to edit his page so that it didn't contain the vitrolic speech. I asked him kindly this past time, to please edit his page. He was pretty dead set in keeping his page as it is. So I had posted on his talk page last week that if it stayed like that I would ask that the page be removed. After I finally did that today, is when LTSally accussed me of sockpuppetery.

They posted a warning on the Jehovah's Witness article that the page may not be unbiased or represent all sides of the issue. And there are certain moderate editors, but there are two editors, LTSally is the primary, who are openly oppossed to anything to do with Jehovah's Witnesses, and are making it their aim to discredit Jehovah's Witnesses on the Wiki article. LTSally is using the Wiki page with his name as a anit-proselytizing tool, to cause people to leave the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses.

So, this accusation of sockpuppetry, if there was any oversight in signing my talk pages on a few occassions, or signing it, it wsa sincerely an oversight. I have only one account. I'm going back to the talk page to see if I falied to sign any of my posts. But anything more than that is false accusations. I just learned fully how to sign these past few days, one of the editors helped me. And I learned later this week, like yesterday, or Thursday how to post a question and get help on the chat.--Natural (talk) 00:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, LTSally is very aggressive, he has what I feel is hate speech against Jehovah's Witnesses on his page. Also, he posted the name of my city where I live on the Talk page, that is why I went back and deleted the name of my city from the talk page. I don't know how he found out where I live, but he did somehow, and he hass some very hateful things to say about Jehovah's Witnesses. So it's a little scary. He speaks against Jehovah's Witnesses in a grandiose fashion on his page. --Natural (talk) 01:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Accuser comment: I gained the information on his user page, the first sentence of which reads, "This page/user is by a Newark, NJ public school educator who writes on psychology and children's issues." Further, my concern over his deceptive editing patterns has nothing to with his recent complaint against me on numerous noticeboards. I can deal with those issues at those places. I am not aggressive, but am becoming tired with a user who ignores repeated advice on signing posts, inserting comments inside others' postings and the need for brevity. And I wish he wouldn't quote scriptures at me when dealing with Wikipedia policy issues. LTSally (talk) 01:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I signed the posts that I negelected to sign. Please if you suspect something underhanded, post it on my page and I'll clear it up. That's all. Don't do this anymore. You went into my ip address somehow, that's what I meant and said that the user was from Newark. That's what I'm saying, I don't know how that works, how you can go into someone's ip address and find out where they live. It's like spying on that person's computer. That is the impression I got, when you posted the comment on the Talk page. That's it. Alright, truce on the sockpuppetry here, I went back and signed any missing posts, and signed the page posted with my ip address. That should prove it, I guess. Alight, I'll be more careful to sign all my posts and make sure I'm logged in. I thought like, that Wikipedia autmatically signed it for you when you didn't, and I really didn't think that you could post anything on the talk page without signing in first. Truce. Peace. --Natural (talk) 01:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Also, a number of my comments on the Talk page have been deleted by LTSally, as have my recent edits. So, I don't know if my signatures were deleted to try to open up the door for accusing me of this sockpuppetry. I don't know enough about the Wiki system to look in the history of the talk page.

I would like to know if there is a way we can lock the talk page to only registered commentators.--Natural (talk) 23:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
I don't think there is abusive sock puppetry going on here. Looking at some of the IP's edits, it might be a problem with person's browser (i.e. cookies and stuff like that keep getting purged, which even happens to me occasionally). –MuZemike 01:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Nor do I. And Naturalpsychology, it's possible to tell one's location from the IP (it's known as geolocation) - it's part of the metadata that comes with the IP, like how you can tell the title of the book from its ISBN number. Closing. Timotheus Canens (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)