Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/NawJee/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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here is a Draft Draft:Adam Baratta which was made by master and seem to be wp:COI and here again the sock created the page Adam Baratta (author) of an Actor with a suffix Author. Both the accounts seem to be working under a paid farm.  Dtt1 Talk  14:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * - Two new accounts, create similarly worded pages on the same subject in different namespaces. More likely meat than sock, but certainly worth a look. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , nothing more. Salvio 21:55, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm blocking Liza based on behavior alone. It's clear from their massive editing of Project Medishare as well as weird things like leaving a prod template on somebody's user page and this edit, aside from the common touch-point of Adam Baratta.  But, there's more fishyness going on here, and I'm still digging, so requesting that this be kept open for a while. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:49, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * feel free to close when you are done. The SandDoctor  Talk 13:29, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , The two weird things I was digging into were 1) Why would a new sock PROD some other sock's page and 2) Why create Draft:Adam Baratta when Adam Baratta (author) already existed? The most likely explanation I can come up with is multiple sock farms competing for the same work.  The more devious explanation would be client shakedowns, ala WP:Orangemoody.  In either case, I didn't get anywhere, so I'll close this now. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:49, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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NotJuggerNot, an inexperienced user, somehow found their way to the talk page of a draft that NawJee had created and requested that it be accepted. This could be either WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT at this point, but the behavioural evidence convinces me it is SOCK: There is more behavioural evidence than this, which I can email a clerk about if necessary, but I think this is enough to justify a check. Requesting CU for sleepers since this account actually predates NawJee... I saw that the last CU result was not helpful but this account has many more edits than Liza Peterson so there might be more data. Spicy (talk) 16:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * On May 12, NotJuggerNot posted on MER-C's talk page: It would be odd for a user with only a handful of edits and no prior interactions with MER-C to find this page and know that he is "one of the most respected people around here", but it would be perfectly understandable for NawJee to know this since they were blocked by MER-C on April 18th.
 * NotJuggerNot added a wikiproject tag to an obscure article created by NawJee.
 * NotJuggerNot created Haitian Flag Day. Mea culpa, I accepted this out of AfC, as it does seem to be a notable topic and I didn't look into the editor's history. At the time I remember being concerned about promotional language in the following sentence: Miami's MOCA Plaza celebrations are famous for featuring prominent Haitian-American celebrities, artists, musicians, entertainers, and political personalities. Some names who have featured over the past years include artist André Eugène, entertainers Plus Daddy and Success St Fleur Jr., music bands Kreyòl La and T-Vice among others. but I AGF'd and chalked it up to an inexperienced user imitating the style of news articles too closely. Well, blocked sock just created Draft:Success St Fleur Jr., so I suppose I shouldn't have assumed good faith. The NawJee account would do this same sort of thing where they would create articles about legit topics that are related to their UPE topic, for example they wrote a bunch of articles about wildfires  and then created Bridger Aerospace about a wildfire management company. (BTW, some interesting stuff going on in that article's history ).

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 * - For all the reasons described by User:Spicy -- RoySmith (talk) 19:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * NotJuggerNot is in a different country compared to the other two, and is therefore technically ❌. – bradv  🍁  03:31, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not terribly surprising NotJuggerNot is technically unrelated. Pretty much the same situation as with Liza Peterson, the previous sock.  My inclination is to block NotJuggerNot as meat, purely on behavior.  I don't think the behavioral evidence is quite as strong as it was with Liza, but on the other hand, it's clear NotJ has previous wiki experience beyond what their apparent editing history suggests.  I'm going to leave this to somebody else to make the final call. -- RoySmith (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * please compare this with evidence at Sockpuppet investigations/LaurelWest, where NotJuggerNot also came up. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I took another look at both of these. I'm quite convinced that NJN is not a LaurelWest sock.  The interaction report, for example, only shows a single touch-point (other than The Teahouse).  On the other hand, the more I look at NJN's editing history, the more I'm convinced they're a sock of somebody.
 * I was still on the fence if I could tie them specifically to NawJee, but today, I just noticed the N-J alliteration in both their usernames, and that pushed me over the edge. So I'm going to indef them as a suspected sock, and rename this case since they're now the oldest. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , closing -- RoySmith (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Bradv's "unrelated" result does not mean "we're not sure", it means "these are different people". I re-checked to be sure, and as stated before, NotJuggerNot is ❌ to NawJee - these two individuals edit from different continents. This case should not have been renamed. Please untangle this:
 * Liza Peterson: ✅ to the accounts I listed today at Sockpuppet investigations/DoshNomad
 * NawJee: I can't disagree with 's finding, but based on further information I find the connection to Liza Peterson/DoshNomad quite . NawJee uses a static IP with no other users on it; Liza Peterson (like the other socks in that group) uses a shared corporate connection on a different large subnet.
 * These two seem to me like two unrelated individuals responding to a common advertisement for a bought biography. Note that the two drafts are quite dissimilar despite using many of the same sources - sources for jobs like these are often provided by the client.
 * NotJuggerNot: may be someone's sock, but they are not NawJee, nor Liza Peterson/DoshNomad. They were technically similar to the recent Sockpuppet investigations/LaurelWest accounts, but more than one clerk now has said they're not behaviourally similar, and I agree. Unless there's better evidence of socking or undisclosed commercial editing, in my opinion they should not have been blocked.
 * Thanks. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , My bad. I've moved the case back and unblocked. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Everything seems to be in order, re-closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Everything seems to be in order, re-closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:51, 24 July 2020 (UTC)