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30 April 2015

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Need1521 was blocked last year for disruptive behaviour, including constant edit warring, blp violations, attacks and making legal threats  at User:Bishonen, one of several editors and admins who tried to reason with them. The material in question that they were adding (example) is related to the celebration of 20 December, arguing that Medvedev is "violating human rights" because of inaction based on his "relationship with Putin." When users reverted this Need1521 accused them in edit summaries of "vandalism" and links with Russia. Need1521 also cited Konstantin Preobrazhenskiy's comments in support of their arguments. The contributions of both accounts are identical, Acon1245 readds the commentary about 20 December, citing Konstantin Preobrazhenskiy and Medvedev's "relationship with Putin." Fraw1188 appears and readds the material, again with the same accusations of "vandalism" and "links with Russia" of anyone who disagrees. Attempts to reason with this editor in the past have proved futile, as they just ignore what they're told and clearly lack the WP:COMPETENCE to edit here. Valenciano (talk) 21:02, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I've added two more. Rome12345 appeals to Jimbo, using stilted English, to overrule administrators, exactly as Need1521 did here. After Rome12345 is blocked, Black2255 appears and adds to the same section on Jimbo's talk page, again with broken English and claiming to be a "simple man", using random brackets for examples and bare urls to support his arguments. Compare that to Need1521's claim to be "a simple man" use of bare urls and random brackets in his unblock request last year. Valenciano (talk) 09:36, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  21:19, 30 April 2015 (UTC) Since just left this on Jimbo's talk page and this on mine. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  22:09, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected the article and added PC1. Indeffing socks with tags and closing.
 * They're ✅ to each other. There are dynamic ranges being used so blocking probably isn't going to work too well. But if it gets bad I'll take a closer look. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 02:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Closing. Mike V • Talk 03:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

25 June 2015

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Need1521 was blocked last year for legal threats, edit warring and WP:NOTHERE on Russian issues. LORT44125 is now here complaining on Jimbo Wales' talk page about "violations vs the rules of Wikipedia" on a Russian issue. compare this to the claim that the “rules of Wikipedia were violated” by a confirmed Need1521 sock on a Russian issue.

Also we have “Rollback of vandalism” by Road8985 on the same page as LORT. Compare that, and the first and third difference above to Need1521’s (vs vandalism)) summary on a Russian issue last year.

Compare the “warning” summary issued by the supposedly new user Road8985 here to the warning by Need1521 in their 17th overall edit here.

Compare the demand from the supposedly new user Road8985 here to stop your vandalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in response to a perfectly good faith edit to the edit by Need1521 a year before vs vandalism

In the latter edit, the “versus” summary is somewhat telling, as it’s exactly what went before with blocked Need1521 socks here and LORT44125 does exactly the same: "violations vs the rules of Wikipedia". Also of note in the "Complaint" section, the current section and a previous section is the use of random brackets to back up arguments and the mistaken belief that admins have some superior status in content disputes.

In the "complaint" section above, Need1521 complains about "the lie on highest level." Now LORT44125 complains about "Propaganda against the Catholic Church on highest level." Road8985 accuses someone of being "vandal on very high level."

Lastly, the constant appeals on Jimbo Wales' talk page is unusual for a new user, but given the above, par for the course for Need1521 socks, who are always appealing to Jimbo to overrule other users (check confirmed socks in archives.) Valenciano (talk) 23:48, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Sheesh! Based on the edits provided by below, this may be a bigger and much longer term problem than I originally suspected. The stilted English and phrasing is identical, as are the demands at Jimbo's talk in this section from a confirmed sock in January 2012(!)


 * That sock, Tom111Born111, criticises another user's "black business." The section today from LORT44125 criticises a user's "black deal."


 * The Tom111Born111 sock complains of "illegal rollback." Another sock from the same farm, John Torn, complains of "rollbacks without reason". The sockmaster Crazy1980 also moans about "illegal rollbacks". Nearly 3 years later, the Need1521 ip insists "You personally not must make rollback", the recent Road8985 account rollback of vandalism". In each case it is not rollback.


 * The JohnTorn account's edits are from September 2011. I'm horrified that this has been going on for FOUR years. Valenciano (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


 * WIth the other two blocked, ENDIE5458 is now making Russian Orthodox church] related edits, which they admit are made using google translate. In the complaint section here, Need1521 also makes arguments with links to google translate from Russian. Valenciano (talk) 05:34, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding the i.p. 91.190.115.250, which has now restored the material added by ENDIE5458. Valenciano (talk) 14:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with the addition of KNIGHT5252, as their first edit is to open this ANI thread. As I noted above, complaining to "higher authorities" is a Need1521 trait. Based on links provided below, the sockmaster is more likely to be User:Crazy1980 who is community banned per this ANI thread. Valenciano (talk) 23:52, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding MONCK1852, who, in their first edit appeals to Jimbo for action against users who have reverted them on the Russian Orthodox church article. NAUM8844 has already been blocked, but their contributions are identical to the above, Russian Orthodox church and appeal to Jimbo. In this edit MONCK1852 admits being the same user as NAUM8844 and like the Need1521 and Crazy1980 socks above complains about "rollback." Valenciano (talk) 13:57, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding 95.27.125.118, who makes Russian Orthodox church related edits and, on their talk page, uses the abbreviation "ROC" for it, the same as NAUM8844 does here and LORT44125 does here. Also adding 95.27.106.54, whose addition here is the same external link that the other ip is adding. Note also the use of "ROC" in that edit. Valenciano (talk) 17:36, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * See also 1, 2, and last section of 3. OneLittleMouse (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Is the same sockpuppeteer? OneLittleMouse (talk) 04:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think may also be another sock. I mean their only contributions is to report Valenciano on ANi and notifying them of the report. Seems suspicious to me.  Callmemirela  ( Talk )  &#9809;  23:32, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw this on ANI and reading the few posts linked, it looks pretty ducky to me. Added to list at top. Blackmane (talk) 23:44, 2 July 2015 (UTC)


 * seems to be the same person. OneLittleMouse (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Aaand again, and again, and again..... OneLittleMouse (talk) 08:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
 * user:Crown218821 seems to be another sock. IMHO, Corbina's ranges block is highly recommended. OneLittleMouse (talk) 03:47, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Checkuser Note: Range blocks are already in place, and no additional range blocks are required. The following are ✅ socks, all are blocked. Risker (talk) 01:36, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Tagged. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:24, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

16 July 2015

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For over a month, socks of Need1521 (himself very likely a sock of earlier community banned User:Crazy1980) have been disrupting Russian Orthodox church related articles (see recently archived case for details.) In the recently completed SPI, a user,, an admin/checkuser on the Russian Wikipedia with long experience of this user, voiced the suspicion that this new account, Crown218821, was another sock. I had already made the connection myself.

In early July, two ips (Special:Contributions/95.27.125.118 and Special:Contributions/95.27.106.54), almost certainly the same user based on the range and identical contributions, constantly added the same external patriarch.ru link to numerous Russia related articles. One of those ips uses the abbreviation ROC, a favourite of Need1521 socks (see examples here by Naum8844 and LORT44125, confirmed Need1521 socks.

Now given that that most likely makes those ips socks of Need1521 as well, it’s noteworthy that one of them claims to be “a representative of of the Diocese of Smolensk and Vyazma” On his user page, User:Crown218821 claims to be “Priest in the Diocese of Smolensk and Vyazma.”

I reverted their edits and immediately an ip, also with the usual ‘’95.27.’’ range used by Need1521 socks appears and begins readding them. The language used by the ip defending Crown218821 uses exactly the same same stilted English and phrases used by Need1521 socks. For example “idiot - you will be banned for war of edits (great warrior without brain)” by the ip.

Compare that to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=670215372 “are you clever or idiot (read text). I think you are total idiot!”] by a confirmed Need1521 sock MONCK. Or the very similar edit to the ip’s edit by confirmed Need1521 sock LORT44125 here “vandalism - beginning of war of edits - slander (Warning)!”

Like the LORT44125 sock, Need1521 frequently accused any editor reverting them of vandalism (diff). The ip defending Crown218821 does exactly the same: accusations of vandalism. Valenciano (talk) 20:15, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * To compare Crown218821 with previous socks based on provided diffs.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ to above socks. NativeForeigner Talk 10:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * The IP is not active any more. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  10:26, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

19 July 2015

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User:Crazy1980, the likely parent sockmaster of Need1521, was community banned for adding external links to Beatles articles. User:Sedo121212 a very likely sock of Need1521 based on the English mistakes and use of brackets was recently blocked for socking at More popular than Jesus, a Beatles related article.

User:Proni25892 had numerous Need1521 giveaways. Besides the similarity of the user name to earlier socks, he appeals to Jimbo for assistance on a Beatles related topic. Note the similarity of the greeting to Jimbo to that of confirmed Need1521 sock MONCK here in an appeal to Jimbo.

The Proni25892 appeal uses Need hallmarks such as Russian punctuation, random use of brackets and phrases such as “by these reasons.” See previous use of the phrase”by this reason” in previous Need sock sections  here or in unblock appeal by confirmed sock Crown218821 here.

When I heard the quacking Proni25892 eliminated any doubt by complaining about “slander without proofs”. Confirmed Need1521 sock Crown218821 also recently complained about “slander”. In the last link notice the use of “stupid pig”.

After Proni is blocked, the Russia based ips who appear to restore his section also call users “pigs.” The Neilidotforev8888 account is already blocked and would be anyway for the user name, but they revert the section. Pretty obviously the same user.

The original post on Jimbo’s page by Proni25892 was about Tim Berners Lee. The Red Cowboy edits are just after the other accounts have been blocked and reference Tim Berners Lee (diff.)

All the ips are around the same time, using Need1521 phrasing like “stupid pigs” or referencing Tim Berners Lee. Valenciano (talk) 09:52, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Note that there is an ANI thread that is related to this SPI. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:09, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * to compare those three named accounts to each other and to previous socks.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  15:00, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ to past socks:
 * Mike V • Talk 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Mike V • Talk 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Mike V • Talk 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 16:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

18 August 2015

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As with other Need socks, English is clearly not this user's native language. They make the same edits as other Need1521 socks. For example confirmed sock NAUM8844 made this edit linking the Russian orthodox church with modern communists. That's exactly the same as James Pown does here. Note the use of the abbreviation "ROC" in both edits. When reverted James Pown restores the material with an edit summary of "vs important info", compare that with previous Need sock edit summary here. Valenciano (talk) 09:34, 18 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Adding Fighter Lion whose edits also look suspect and reminiscent of Need, including poor English. As I pointed out in previous reports (this one, for example), complaining/appealing to Jimbo is a Need hallmark. Fighter Lion manages to find his way to Jimbo's page with only his second edit, which is highly unusual. In that section, there's the usual greeting for Jimbo, use of bare urls and brackets to support arguments, compare all that to this section, added by confirmed Need sock LORT, which exhibits exactly the same behaviour. The edits to the user page of both LORT (diff) and FighterLion (diff) are also identical. After being quiet for a month, Fighter returned this evening, just after the James Pown account had been blocked, to make this latest edit, which is to a Russian Orthodox church article, a favourite area of Need socks, as I've pointed out above. When reverted, Fighter Lion edit wars to restore the material with a "shut your mouth" edit summary, identical to a previous confirmed Need sock Proni here. Valenciano (talk) 22:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fighter Lion now edits the Russian Orthodox church article, restoring the material added by James Pown and the other socks. Quack quack. Valenciano (talk) 23:57, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * Those two are already blocked. I tagged them as suspected socks. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:49, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

13 January 2016

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When was blocked for editwarring at Marxism, within few hours an account with one previous edit stepped in inserting the same material Jaccy Jaydy was editwarring to insert.. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 02:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Suspected puppet appears immediately after block of the puppeteer, edit-warring over the same contentious edits using similar edit summaries with similar broken English. Bizarre referral in one edit summary to University of Toronto and an IP. cf, (JJ) with ,  (Gorin). RolandR (talk) 02:28, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * However, this is most likely related to Sockpuppet investigations/Need1521. After a behavioral evaluation, this will probably need to be merged there. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Is this link based on technical or behavioral evidence?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  17:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Both, actually. The CU logs tie them together along with some behavioral cues. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 18:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I merged the case here and re-tagged. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * However, this is most likely related to Sockpuppet investigations/Need1521. After a behavioral evaluation, this will probably need to be merged there. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 03:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Is this link based on technical or behavioral evidence?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  17:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Both, actually. The CU logs tie them together along with some behavioral cues. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 18:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I merged the case here and re-tagged. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I merged the case here and re-tagged. Closing.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

20 January 2016

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Quacking sock: similar editing pattern to recent socks, with edit-warring on Karl Marx, abusive edit summaries in broken English, posting warnings on talk pages of editors who revert him.

Checkuser requested to locate any further socks. RolandR (talk) 00:27, 20 January 2016 (UTC) Identical tendentious edits to those made by CU-confirmed socks, including the same broken English: sock 1, sock 2, sock 3, Pablo Rosentown. :Also making the same edit using several IPs: 95.27.125.179, 78.106.223.109, 95.29.158.195. RolandR (talk) 10:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * Both named accounts are ✅. is highly, as well.
 * except to note that they seem to be quacking rather loudly. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 02:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Accounts blocked and tagged. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 10:08, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Identical edits to those made by confirmed socks: RP; sock 1, sock 2. Similar edit summaries in broken English, similar attacks on good faith of other editors, similar responses on admin noticeboards. RolandR (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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I've declined the CU request as everyone is .--Bbb23 (talk) 00:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The behavioral evidence is compelling. Blocked and tagged, closing. Bishonen &#124; talk 09:46, 4 September 2016 (UTC).