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Suspected sockpuppets



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User:Micericky was created within hours of being blocked as a sockpuppet of Wiki2008time. Micericky began with the same flurry of minor copyedits that User:Xannir had before diving straight into RfD in the exact same way the beginning of Xannir's edit history does. Xannir voted speedy keep on a nomination, closed it as speedy keep, was blocked and then suddenly Micericky was created and also votes speedy keep. Micericky has also referenced being Canadian in their responses, something that both Wiki2008 and Xannir have done. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 16:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also a look at Articles_for_deletion/Miss_BC shows a clear overlap between all three editors.
 * Furthermore, I have suspicions regarding for obvious reasons. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 16:41, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also pinging and  who seem to have been involved with the blocking of the last sock. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 16:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * What on earth? I am not a sockpuppet. I used to edit many years ago as an IP user, quit for a couple years, decided to make a new account, and rejoined. What evidence do you have about me being connected to this other person? I have also been actively involved in many RfDs and AfDs and anyone so inclined could probably accuse me of being many people's sockpuppet as a result, especially if someone dislikes my opinions. Enthusiasm for participation in discussions should not be punished, as it discourages involvement. --Micky (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And I will have you know that there are millions of people in Canada. When someone finds out I'm Canadian, they typically ask me, "Do you know x?" - No, I probably don't know your friend Dave in Canada, because there are probably thousands of Daves in Canada. Generally having the same opinion as the majority of other people and same time zone as a sock is not enough to warrant this kind of accusation. --Micky (talk) 02:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at the edit history of both accounts and I'd like to point out that 1) I have not been involved with any of the pages they edited, 2) I have no particular interest in pageants and have not edited any pageant pages, 3) the Xannir account was making empty minor edits on BC pages whereas I've actually been making meaningful contributions when I copyedit pages taken from CAT:COPY, 4) Having overlap on the RfD/AfD is a coincidence as I have been working through dozens of RfDs and AfDs. I'll probably get accused of sockpuppetry by someone else who saw overlap in some of my contributions on RfDs/AfDs and didn't like my opinions. Lastly, please check my IP address as I am not using a VPN. Thank you. --Micky (talk) 03:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for responding, it's entirely possible I made a mistake however I just found the situation to be highly unusual, brand new editors rarely dive headfirst into RfD and AfD in such a way, RfD in particular has next to no participation by unregistered users and so having a brand new account being that involved in RfDs that had recently been confirmed as having sockpuppets  is understandably concerning. Your editing pattern also matched these other users, and your tendency to vote speedy keep and speedy delete at a point in the discussion when there is no longer a potential for a speedy keep or speedy delete is abnormal and matched exactly with Xannir. It's also notable that you voted the same as Xannir in almost every single RfD you overlapped in, perhaps that was just the right way to vote but it's certainly abnormal, especially coming in after Xannir and suggesting a speedy keep/delete. But you're entirely correct in saying I could be simply overeading into unlucky coincidences, they certainly do happen.  EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 03:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, fair enough yes I suppose some aspects are unusual but as I said, I have taken some part of RfD/AfD several years in the past on and off before leaving for a couple years. As for my vote pattern matching, take a look at other people I voted consistently with, I'm sure there is probably lots of overlap. I tend to agree with the majority (probably because the majority is making the correct vote most of the time) and rarely feel strongly enough to vote against the majority unless I see something that most people may not have seen. I'm not really sure where this accusation came from as I don't recall seeing your name on any discussions or pages I've worked on, but I wouldn't be surprised if other people want to accuse me of sockpuppetry with any other accounts simply because I may vote in agreement with other people (usually I see that the same people tend to consistently make reasonable arguments). --Micky (talk) 04:11, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Just came across Micericky on an AfD and noticed the user was blocked, came here, fell down a rabbit hole looking at the behaviour of these editors. My opinion is that Micericky and Xannir display remarkably similar editing traits. Remarkably similar. Even down to certain things that are "unusual". Not going to post a list here for obvious reasons but I'll send them privately if requested. I've no axe to grind with any of these editors.  HighKing++ 20:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Xannir and Micericky are editing from different locations, but these may still be the same person based on behaviour. I would like a second opinion. – bradv  🍁  16:53, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've had another look through the behaviour of both accounts, and I am inclined to agree with Maxim's analysis. As notes above, the edits are remarkably similar (and not just the kind of similar that can be explained by meatpuppetry). –  bradv  🍁  21:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * and are likely the same person based on behavior. I would actually call the checkuser evidence  not based on a direct match per se but the totality of the circumstances/data.  is perhaps a meatpuppet; the CU and behavioral evidence together are .   Maxim (talk)  16:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call Wiki2008time and Micericky likely based upon technical evidence. At best "possible", and only because they're using the same vanilla configuration. Well, almost the same. Geographically, they show on opposite sides of a continent. I find Micericky's arguments here convincing, as well. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 05:12, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Closing without further action - the suspected sock is blocked on behavior at the very least. Danimeers is very likely meat from a behavioral standpoint (single-edit account used to !vote in an AfD), but they haven't edited in a month so I don't see much use in blocking them at this point. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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First three: LCE and the IP very often edits Canadian pageantry-related articles (such as Miss Universe Canada), or adding Canadian content to worldwide pageantry articles. Seeing that Neelix was a big name in this niche area before his ban, it seems reasonable that the three suspects are linked to him, or at least to each other. NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 19:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

The rest: For their more-than-normal entanglement in the Tara Teng and Human trafficking in Canada articles, respectively. Before Neelix left, he had quite the stake in the two pages. --NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 23:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * As someone who familiarised themselves with Neelix's edits a couple of years ago (around the time of the redirect issue), I can certainly see some similarities in the editing between his other socks and these. The duck is certainly quacking on LCE and the IP - but I think HMS will come up stale given it hasn't edited in over a year. Best, Patient Zerotalk 23:17, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added 2 more accounts which I suspect to be Neelix's socks on a different reason. Please review. --NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 23:38, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --NotReallySoroka (talk) (formerly DePlume) 23:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * . Both of the accounts haven't edited in about a year, the area as a whole is filled with socks, there are marked behavioural differences to Neelix and socks (such as as the fact that these accounts rarely use edit summaries), and the IP is Australian while Neelix is from Canada. In any case, this is too old to action. Closing. --Blablubbs&#124;talk 23:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * NotReallySoroka, neither of those accounts has edited since 2016 and overlap on its own is not sufficient evidence of sockpuppetry, especially not when it's with a user who has 169,000 edits. --Blablubbs&#124;talk 23:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * per below. Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * The accounts are ✅ to each other. Strong behavioural overlap with previous Neelix socks and editing on the same relatively small range as previous socks (e.g. and ). Blocked and tagged.--  Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)