Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nocrowx/Archive

20 February 2012

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There are too many similarities with these accounts. I have often wondered about these two and have been watching. I have engaged in some conversation with JMRH6, I became suspicious that they were similar to Nowcrowx, who has disputed in a similar way - then when I looked at their contribs I was shocked.

In December 2011 - Nocrowx was editing the List of Emmerdale characters and began changing things to suit his view (despite editors other than myself not agreeing). When challenged, he undid the changes again and ordered anyone who had a different opinion to check the talk page - - However, there was no discussion on the talk page so I undid the change -  - So after I did that Nocrowx added the disussion to the talk page and in the edit summary called me "impatient" -

In February 2012 - JMRH6 was editing the List of Coronation Street characters and began changing things to suit his view (despite editors other than myself not agreeing). When challenged, he undid the changes again and ordered anyone who had a different opinion to check the talk page - - However, there was no discussion on the talk page so I undid the change -  - So after I did that JMRH6 added the disussion to the talk page and in the edit summary said I did not give them chance -

Now the common theme here is two soap opera lists - Nocrowx and JMRH6 both played the same game - made their changes and ordered anyone who did not agree with them - to accept it and look at the talk page (both before they even posted it) - This behaviour shows that both cannot even wait to revert that they need to do it before a discussion has even started - let alone a consensus built from a discussion. Both seem to enjoy editing both of these lists - but they also enjoy editing a whole array of similiar subjects no matter how obscure the subject is. In both disucssions have been started - these two editors have refused to listen or reason with anyone elses point of view and both called the rules silly and not wanting to follow any guidelines - Nocrowx's discussion - JMRH6's discussion - Nearly all the discussions on Talk:List of Emmerdale characters were started by either Nocrowx or JMRH6 - which if related suggests they are trying to gain change. (They have funnily enough never commented on each other's topics before...)

So looking at the two list which they both seem to have taken an interest in - three from each for quick reference - List of Coronation Street characters - JMRH6: ... Nocrowx: List of Emmerdale characters - JMRH6: ... Nocrowx:

Such as historic topics such as dukes, barons, monarchs, soap characters of only Coronation Street and Emmerdale, only those two mind (Remember there are quite a number of soaps to take an interest in) - If you could split their contribs into two - they have both become really vocal on the subjects of soaps and people with titles - they didnt used to be though, in the last six months they appear to have both decided to shift over, focusing more on these than their other chosen history subjects. So surely with all these shared interests, so close by, why have they never crossed paths? Why are they so vocal in on the same list talk pages, yet never commented on one anothers topics? Yet they will pass comment on nearly every other discussion - but never both join in the same one. So my theory is they log into the account they used for the discussion and stick with it, until they want to comment on the next topic where - maybe to remain under the radar.

JMRH6 says he has been fighting vandalism on here for a few years now - - Yet he only registered an account last year.

JMRH6 says he will no longer edit soap article because I am snotty - - Well Nocrowx has not liked snotty editors since 2010 -

Anyway, User:Bankhallbretherton was blocked for promoting - they warned that they would the blocking admin via their userpage that they would simply just rejoin under a new user name and carry on. Well they did and they carried on editing their favourite articles Bank Hall Action Group and Bank Hall. (The article Bankhallbretherton was promoting those) - Funnily enough User:Bankhall created that article with a tone of promo. JM speaks with the same promo agenda and in this edit summary he thinks it is "weird" for anyone not to like Bankhall - - When Bankhallbretherton was blocked in March 2011 - JMRH6 started editing in March 2011... On Bankhallbretherton's user page he has a userbox stating that he is from Lancashire - Well JMRH6 likes Lancashire topics - - Bankhallbretherton also likes Coronation Street and Emmerdale. ;)  Rain  the 1  01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' I thought once you were blocked you could not create a new account? Isn't JMRH6 is a sock of Bankhallbretherton? Rain  the 1  04:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not understand. User gets blocked for promoting in March 2011 - says they will create a new account and carry on edited regardless of the block - New account created in March 2011 - starts editing the same article in the same manner as the blocked user. Rain  the 1  04:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you done a behaviour check on JMRH6 and Bankhallbretherton? What I am asking is a look into whether or not JMRH6 isd a sock of Bankhallbretherton - I do not see how these two are meatpuppets. Bankhallbretherton is blocked in March 2011 and says they will continue editing the article under a new account - JMRH6 starts editing in March 2011 and carries on editing the article on a regular basis. Rain  the 1  17:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)


 * They both set citations out in this distinct way -  -
 * Since this was opened - JMRH6 has gone AWOL
 * Look at the edit summaries - go from Banhallbretherton's final contribs before the block - and carry on from JMRH6's earliest contribs  - Now that sounds like a continuation.
 * Bankhallbretherton was already in disagreement with J3Mrs -  - Well JMRH6 had the same idea  - And I am guessing J3Mrs knew exactly who it was, back again, as evidenced in this reply -  Rain   the 1  17:48, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * So first, the latter two socks are stale. There's a lot of overlap here in the master and the first sock, but they're old accounts, so I wonder if we're looking at coordinated meatpuppetry (e.g. two friends with similar interests.) I'm adding a CU to find out what's going on. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Examining JMRH6 and Nocrowx, they are technically ❌, and from my perspective it seems that they are operated by the same individual. WilliamH (talk) 03:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Bankhallbretherton and Bankhall are . There is no technical data relating to them that CheckUser can retrieve. WilliamH (talk) 04:18, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Meatpuppetry, then. If it gets really disruptive report it again, but I'm closing for now. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A note on the recent evidence - disagreeing with an editor is not a sign that they're the same. From what I can tell, those two sets of edits don't show much more than that. Also, Bankhall was blocked as a username violation, not for spamming or something. Plus look at the CU results. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 18:17, 25 February 2012 (UTC)