Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nukes4Tots/Archive

Report date February 4 2009, 22:19 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Nukes4Tots added a comment to my talk page []. it was removed, then added back, then Winged Brick came in and said " removing my comment that was placed there out of context. You deleted what I was commenting on, You can't just toss it back in without context." [] i've never interacted with winged brick before, and he was modifying nukes4tots message. so they must be the same person.
 * Evidence submitted by Theserialcomma (talk)

evidence that WB was experienced with wikipedia's policies when he first started editing:
WB's second ever edit to wikipedia was to revert some fact tags, with the message |"rv: fact tag spam. The proper way to do it would be to put a tag (if appropriate) at the top of the page or section that you question"] - how does a new user with only one edit before that know so much about wikipedia? Nukes4Tots also used the same edit summary: | "fact tag spam"
 * also, WB, in their 3rd edit, removes BLP violations with a lot of insight to the BLP rules with the message "removed personal information on living person with no references." [].

evidence of interaction between themselves, proving they are claiming to be separate people:
Nukes warns a user: [] WB then came to nukes defense to further explain the warning | "I see you were already warned, but I'll clarify Nukes4Tots warning.

evidence WB, Nukes, and Asams10 have similar editing habits:
they edit mostly only gun articles (with some non-gun articles in common that seem unlikely to be chance coincidences) and use similar edit summaries, such as "rvv:" and "rv:". all three editors use the phrase integrate with the text and poorly placed edit in edit summaries: | Nukes4Tots: "rv: ... poorly placed information... it needs to be integrated into the text." | Winged Brick: "rv: ...poorly placed edit. Please integrate it with the text." | Asams10: "rv: integrate with text ..."

evidence that Asams10 is nukes4Tots:
if you check the contributions of all three editors, you'll notice a pattern of typing "rv:' and "rvv:" while reverting messages, among other idiosyncracies.

Asams10 was blocked on Feb 11, 2008 and Nukes4Tots account was created a few hours later to evade the block:
01:26, 11 February 2008 B (Talk | contribs) blocked Asams10 (Talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 72 hours ‎ (Disruption: 3RR on FAMAS. Please see AN3 Report)

20:02, 11 February 2008 Nukes4Tots (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎

behavioral and circumstantial evidence that Nukes4Tots = Asams10
besides Asams10 being blocked on feb 11, 2008 and Nukes4Tots' account being created a few hours later on Feb 11, as shown above, there are too many similarities between their editing/writing style and the articles they have been interested in editing. according to [], they have 307 articles in common that they've both edited. that seems like a lot, but perhaps any user part of the WP:guns project would have as many in common, so this is not really strong evidence by any means. but, if you search the edit history of the articles in common and see who writes "rvv:" and "rv:", you will find only Nukes4Tots, Asams10, and Winged Brick.
 * evidence: ignoring the gun articles they have in common and focusing on the unique, non gun articles: they have both edited Trigeminal_neuralgia, which is a neuropathic disorder. Nukes and Asams10 even both edited the same specific sentence: [| Nukes calls the sentence BS] and Asams10 calls the sentence | unlikely. this doesn't seem like a coincidence.


 * they both also edited Clubbed thumb numerous times. Nukes4Tots: [] Asams10: [] here they are on that article's talk page agreeing with each other [].


 * they both edited and argued over a file named Malcomxm1carbine3gr.gif : Asams10: [] Nukes4Tots: []


 * they both edited Buff: Nukes4Tots: []  Asams10 [].

they also both took a keen interest, in the article and talk page, of the Stockton Massacre: | Asams10 | Asams10 |Nukes4Tots they even both | Edit warred over the same content. (there is more crossover editing between them in this article)


 * Simi Valley, California: | Asams10 | Nukes4Tots (there is more crossover in this article)


 * Al Udeid Air Base, edited by Nukes4Tots and Asams10


 * SanDisk Sansa, which is some MP3 player, edited by Nukes4Tots and Asams10


 * Karl Dönitz, who was a nazi, edited by Nukes4Tots and Asams10


 * Canon_EOS_450D - edited by 3 of 3 users | Asams10 | Winged Brick | Nukes4Tots. I guess it's possible that all 3 of these editors have interests in clubbed thumbs, a rare neurological disorder, simi valley, a sandisk sansa, a nazi, a massacre, malcolm x holding a gun, and being buff. but i find it hard to believe that all three of them have an interest in the canon eos 450D.


 * Asams10 on AK47 talk page making a simile about an AK47: | AK 47s dont kill people... people kill people. just like you dont blame water and hammers for killing people, why blame the ak-47, which is a tool?
 * Nukes4Tots on Canon 450D talk page making a simile about an AK47: | "Dead people are the result of the AK-47 being fired as (much as) pictures are the result of the Eos 450D being fired"

other
Asams10 adds | an article he wrote for a website to the Sauer 38H article. I guess this would be considered a COI issue more than a sockpuppet issue, but Nukes4Tots has also edited this article extensively.

Theserialcomma (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

Admin, please contact me via email for an explanation. --Winged Brick (talk) 01:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Though I do not have email enabled, admins can still contact me. Mayalld, sorry, you are not an admin. --Winged Brick (talk) 15:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users

Accused party requests e-mail contact, but doesn't have e-mail enabled! Mayalld (talk) 08:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Nishkid64 - Winged Brick has been in contact with him. Mayalld (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I will comment shortly. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 20:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: I've been sent some more evidence via e-mail from Theserialcomma. I will evaluate the evidence when my schedule clears up in a few days. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Any updates? :) The page is getting quite busy with further diffs. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 21:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm still in conversation with Nukes4Tots and Theserialcomma via e-mail. I hope this matter can be resolved within a few days. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 03:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Cleaned up the page a bit for readability. Foxy Loxy Pounce! 08:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Update: This issue is now presumably being addressed by the Arbitration Committee. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whilst I appreciate that the privacy policy may prevent disclosure of more information than this, is it your understanding that Arbcom will deal with any issues resulting from this case, and as such, should we be closing this case as deferred to Arbcom? Mayalld (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The ArbCom will now deal with everything related to this case. Please close this case for now as deferred to ArbCom. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 21:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

-- Kanonkas : Talk  21:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions