Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OBrasilo/Archive

Report date January 8 2010, 06:07 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Suspected sock/meat puppets being used by Obrasilo and/or Lin to edit war at Windows Odyssey and Windows Neptune. Concerted efforts at both articles, including using same terminology and calling anyone's edits "vandalism", including removing added sources, undoing correction of content to replace with the same personal opinions, and removal of deletion and maintenance tags. See also current ANI discussion, during which Obrasilo admitted several of the IPs were "friends" from his closed forum, but denied he asked them to come to his aid (yet all are SPA accounts) -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs)
 * Note, admin may want to oversight the listing of a child's full name below by one of the accused parties. -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 13:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I have no idea who User:OBrasilo is. The IP Address I am currently using is a dynamic IP Address. I am pretty sure that this will be verified via CheckUser. Also, the reason I called some users' edits "vandalism" is because they actually were. For example, a fwe users that edited Windows Odyssey and Windows Neptune were constantly reverting legitimate edits to a version where it was redirected to Development of Windows XP. Since those redirects were against consensus, that makes those edits vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.234.20.47 (talk • contribs) 00:18, January 8, 2010

Actually...I've reviewed the edit history of all of the 76.x.x.x IP Addresses. Yep, I am the one that made edits under the 76.x.x.x IP Addresses. And no, I am not a meatpuppet. Nor am I a friend of User:OBrasilo. Neither did I post in the forums that User:OBrasilo claimed some of the other IP editors were from.76.238.131.1 (talk) 00:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * i dont know who User:OBrasilo is. Ive been observing and reading wikipedia for over a year now, that is from before the dispute started. as for me editing that polish slogan article - i have a friend from poland at my current work who pointed out to me some dubious claims in the hwdp article and asked me to do it since i already have an account here on wikipedia, whereas he doesnt, so i edited that.


 * by the way, my ip is 70.126.216.230 which checkuser will found and which can be easily confirmed to indeed go to tampa bay in florida and not to slovenia where obrasilo is from. and i have also checked the ip obrasilo posted his last ani thread from in ipligence geolocator, and found out it indeed goes to slovenia and checkuser will confirm that as well.


 * also youll find that my ip (thus me) made a contribution regarding those two articles before i registered my account, and i mean months before, and my comment was edited by obrasilo (who i guess patrols the articles and their talk pages regularly) to make it more polite.


 * as for meat puppetry, i dont know who obrasilo is, nor do i have offsite contact with him. i know he has contact with my 12yo cousin (james maloy) who lives in this same house (and therefore uses my same ip) but my cousin never told me about these two articles either so i edited them out of my own accord without being influenced by anyone, so my edits do not constitute meatpuppetry.


 * Lin Godzilla (talk) 09:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * After IPLigence-geolocating some of the above-mentioned IP's, I found this:


 * 124.6.181.25, and 124.6.181.19, go to Makati, Philippines, Asia, and are therefore user/co-Administrator portalcake, of my OSBetaGroup forum. I'm going to ask him to not edit these articles further, so don't expect any return from him. He hasn't been informed that editing these articles by members of my forum is in-appropriate because of meat-puppetry concerns, which I apologize for, and I'm going to inform him about that.
 * 194.165.96.5 obviously goes to Slovenia, and is one of the IP's of ISP SiOL.NET, which was my ISP before I moved to where I live now, and Telemach ISP. Hardly sock-puppetry, just ME doing edits without logging in.
 * 212.235.186.231 is the IP I'm using right now, which is my University's IP, so obviously, again, it's ME, who has done edits from this IP, without logging in. No sock-puppetry.


 * As for Lin Godzilla, the user explained the situation for himself quite well. Yes, I have off-site contact with his cousin, James, who's a co-Founder of my OSBetaGroup forum, but James never did any edits to these articles (he told me so himself), nor has he told anything about even their existence Lin Godzilla, as Lin himself said above. - OBrasilo (talk) 09:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment I would like to point out to you that just because IP Addresses don't match, doesn't mean that it's not the same user. The IP Address might be a proxy server (Especially an elite proxy server or even a distorted one). It might also be an IP Address of a hacked computer. All Checkuser does is that it provides additional evidence of sockpuppetry, as stated by User:Collectonian on the ANI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.222.240.135 (talk) 06:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I have several sites/forums hosted on the IP address mr. Lin Godzilla above mentioned, and I'd like to see a single elite/distorted proxy hosting websites on demand, LOL. Also the fact, that the guy's cousin, James, is a co-Administrator on nearly all forums of mine (and even using "James" as his nick-name on my forum), using that very IP, proves it can't be a proxy, un-less you want to say I'm sock-puppeting on my own forums, which would make just no damn sense, LOL. - OBrasilo (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I think there are two editors reported here and their clouds of dynamic IP adresses. Lin Godzilla however is most likely not who he claims to be (a Chinese American by the name of Andrew Lin that worked for Microsoft), because of this edit to an obscure Eastern European topic. It also happens that OBrasilo edited the same EE article, besides the two Windows articles indicated above, and also defended Lin Godzilla's claimed identity on ANI; see Wikipedia:ANI#Lin Godzilla. I'm not going to speculate on OBrasilo's motives for doing that, but a checkuser might clarify some of this. Pcap ping  13:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments by other users

I would also like to point that 76.234.20.47 is quite disingenuous. He also edit warred    to restore a poorly sourced and WP:OR version of the article, while removing the properly sourced one, which is not just a redirect. Pcap ping  13:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Your statement that I restored Original Research is pure speculation. The reason I reverted the edit that you're reffering to is that the redirects and content removal were against consensus. I am not the only one that reverted that. There were also some bots and administrators that reverted that and clearly stated in the edit summary of one of the edits by User:SchmuckyTheCat that he or she violated WP:3RR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.7.240 (talk • contribs) 22:02, January 8, 2010
 * "Your statement that I restored Original Research is pure speculation". No it isn't. You (meaning all your IP addresses) were the only one to revert after the article was rewritten from reliable sources. Pcap ping  10:05, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

[Outsider comment (although I have dealt with OBrasilo in the past over unrelated matters] Observing this situation I too am seeing troubling editing patterns. Repeated bad faith/vandalism accusations, almost identical revert patterns from users/IPs who appear out of the blue. OBrasilo also says the IPs are his friends from forums, yet they chimed in out of the blue without being asked to fanaticall support one user's view, do they stalk him ready and waiting to sweep in times of need? This wreaks of MEAT to me, and I don't see where in MEAT that users have to be asked to join in, if they're his friends OBrasilo should do the respectful thing and ask them not to contribute to the revert war and discussions, they're making it more difficult for him and everyone else. In both cases mentioned in the ANI, some unverifiable factor comes into play, the first a disputed letter from an author, totally unverifiable. The second, a user sweeps in out of almost nowhere claiming to be an ex employee to almost directly support OBrasilo, how convenient, the user's first edits where to suspiciously reveal some personal information, grounding himself as an "expert" of the whole situation. Sock or not, something dodgy is going on here. Rehevkor ✉  13:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Read again. WP:MEAT clearly states, that Meatpuppetry is the recruitment of editors as proxies to sway consensus.. So meat-puppetry is by definition people recruited to co-operate. And I never asked anyone to help me with these two Windows cases, that is, I never recruited help for the two cases, so no recruitment = no meat-puppetry. - OBrasilo (talk) 14:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Requested by -- Collectonian  (talk · contribs) 06:07, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * . Nathan  T 22:15, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Lin Godzilla is indeed in Florida as he claims. There is also a group of IP edits originating from California and another from Slovenia (belonging to OBrasilo). I find no sockpuppetry. Dominic·t 09:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Closed with no action. Thanks Dominic. Nathan  T 14:52, 17 January 2010 (UTC)