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10 September 2013

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https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenian_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=569215427 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Armenian_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=572340175

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Didgori&diff=prev&oldid=572249721 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Didgori&diff=559234000&oldid=559233945

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georgian_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=567970953 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Georgian_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=572338049 Хаченци (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' The account Volksjäger162 was opened 3 days after Obitauri was blocked. The contributions are mainly on the same articles (battles including Georgia, Georgian and Armenian lphabets) and even the same topic in the article. Хаченци (talk) 15:20, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

One more thing I've written, but it was deleted later. Volksjäger162 claims he speaks German (as his nickname also suggests). Obitauri was calling himself "Nazi" and had written several low-importance articles about Denmark in Georgian wiki (some of those articles one can find only in top wikipedias (en, de, es, fr). I guess Obitauri was a resident of Denmark, and could speak German as well.

The way the two speak is really different, but it is hard to beleive that Volksjäger162, who said he signed to wiki few hours ago) knows that much about wiki rules, etc. Looking at his page is enough for understanding he is anything but a new user.Хаченци (talk) 02:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I was just in the process of starting a SPI on the same grounds. We have a 'new' user who has dived straight in to edit-wars over the same material that Obitauri was involved with - see Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and Talk:Georgian alphabet, where the 'new' user makes exactly the same arguments as the old one. And note that the user-name 'Volksjäger162' is a reference to the Heinkel He 162 Volksjäger, an aircraft from Nazi Germany - Obitauri was blocked for (amongst other things) adding a userbox saying he supported National Socialism to his user page. Coincidence? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * I renamed the SPI page to Obitauri, since he is the suspected sockmaster here. I am not sure what to think about this case.  Volksjäger162 has been argumentative and tendentious, but his edits seem noticeably different in character from what Obitauri was doing before he got blocked.  This might be a case of WP:DUCK, but it could also be a case of two separate ducks of the same breed — both Obitauri and Volksjäger162 are admittedly Georgian, and it's not inconceivable to me that they could be two different Georgians who both share a common set of nationalistic beliefs (including, for example, a rejection of the idea that key aspects of Georgian culture may have Armenian origins).  I'm going to leave this case open for others to study it; if other people are convinced Volksjäger162 really is a sock of Obitauri, I won't be offended, but I just want to make sure you're careful.  Also, even if Volksjäger162 is a separate editor, he seems awfully close to me to being blocked for WP:EW or WP:BATTLE.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:30, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I note that Future Perfect at Sunrise has indefinitely blocked Volksjäger162 as a likely sockpuppet of Obitauri. I was actually about to do this myself — Volksjäger162's latest comments at [ Talk:Georgian alphabet], together with AndyTheGrump's comments above, tipped the scales in my view.  Even if Volksjäger162 is, by some chance, a different person who simply happens to share Obitauri's views, his comments at [ WP:ANI] are ample evidence of edit warring (remember that edit warring is inappropriate even if you are convinced that you are in the right and other editors are stubbornly wrong).  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nothing more to do here. No reason at this point to suspect the existence of sleepers. —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * For the record, see my comments here: . Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)