Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ogledsurlyref/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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 * 1) All three socks appeared on pages where the user is involved immediately after being registered.
 * 2) None of those pages appeared on WP:DYK or directly relates to current affairs, so the chances of a new user straying into them are low.
 * 3) All three socks have supported the user's position either in talk or by reversal of others' changes.
 * 4) With the exception of two pages, all of the socks have been dormant since.
 * 5) Despite having just registered, two of the socks seem to be "Wikipedia insiders", referring to edit history and an ongoing TP discussion.
 * 6) Except for the two "errant" pages, sock #1 also uses a similar style to the user: makes aggressive comments or hints that others have ulterior motives (something the user is well acquainted with), and uses the uncommon "baloney" and "dude". François Robere (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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These edits appear to be VM's and it is indeed uncanny to be from a random editor and from a random editor just editing a random Wikipedia article out of the blue, and just randomly using terminology that VM uses and randomly editing an article that VM uses while using terminology VM uses and while VM is involved in a dispute in the area as well. It's just a bit too much. See these two diffs where VM tells Icewhiz that he doesn't edit Wikipedia 18 hours a day, and then Wivescoals uses that same against him:, VM says, ..Not all of us edit 18 hours a day. It's summer and I was busy riding roller coasters, Wivescoals says, Crap! Icewhiz, you’re editing Wikipedia 18 hours a day, every day. Is that your employment or something!? Netflix and chill dude. Sir Joseph (talk) 20:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Hahahahahahahahahahhahaa  Volunteer Marek   23:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Please. Just for shitzandgiggles. Check user on me anyway.  Volunteer Marek  23:13, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

But when you find nothing, move this smear BS to something that doesn't have my user name in it, because I KNOW someone will try to use just the existence of an accusation against me. And please WP:TROUT User:François Robere for this nonsense while you're at it.  Volunteer Marek  23:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

And oh yeah, since we're in the business of baseless accusations here, I should note that this absurd charge of "sock puppetry" was first made, with exactly the same "evidence" (sic) that User:Sir Joseph tries to pass off below, on a couple off wiki sites (Wikipediocracy and a nasty reddit page where I've been doxxed before). Sir Joseph, care to confirm or deny whether that's where, um, you, "found" this ... possibility?  Volunteer Marek  23:19, 30 August 2019 (UTC)


 * We should check Volunteer Marek - to either implicate or exonerate him, instead of leaving him under suspicion.  starship .paint  (talk) 03:10, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I should note the result of the CU is not surprising. CU is a very limited tool, and I suspected even as I filed this that VM is too smart a user to operate socks under his own IP, if he had chosen to do so. End result is we have a puppetmaster on the loose in the topic area, who mimics VM's style and has a dislike for Icewhiz. François Robere (talk) 10:41, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * If the “result of the CU is not surprising” - meaning this is the result you expected when you filed this SPI - then Why. The. Hell. Did you file this SPI under my name? Just to mess with me? This kind of WP:BATTLEGROUND nonsense deserves at the very least a warning, if not something more serious.  Volunteer Marek   19:39, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Is related to any other account? François Robere (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * The following accounts are :


 * appears to be ❌.
 * A check on Volunteer Marek is : No evidence that the sock puppets are his.

This case should likely be moved to Sockpuppet investigations/Ogledsurlyref. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Reaper Eternal - ✅. SPI report has been moved. Please let me know if I need to do anything else for you.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   13:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


 * In addition to the notes that Sir Joseph added above, I had a look at the accounts that Reaper Eternal identified that weren't on the original request:
 * Alikehansky was active on Talk:Institute of National Remembrance where they comment on some edits by Icewhiz ( et al)
 * Eastgooktoja's only edit was related to Poland during World War II
 * Mosesgreer's were on an article that Volunteer Marek and Icewhiz have clashed on previously (and asks whether a Youtube video that appears to be in Polish is an acceptable source)
 * Gablejibs also criticizes an article related to a slur against Jews that Icewhiz and Volunteer Marek have previously had at least some minor clashes on
 * I probably don't need to point out that Volunteer Marek and Icewhiz are presently involved in Arbitration/Requests/Case/Antisemitism in Poland, and have been under a temporary IBAN since August 19th (and at least Alikehansky was active in the relevant topic area since that IBAN was enacted). Since the initial CU Check specifically declined to check VM but did discover other new sockpuppets, I assume that if VM were a technical match to the group above, Reaper would have discovered that. However, in light of this entire group's heavy involvement with the dispute between these two editors, would this evidence be sufficient for a CU be able to provide any further technical evidence here? Pinging for input. ST47 (talk) 21:34, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Given that Volunteer Marek explicitly gave the go-ahead, I checked his account, and it is unsurprisingly utterly ❌. Reaper Eternal (talk) 04:30, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

This SPI case was left set as "awaiting a clerk"... was there something I needed to do or help assist with? If clerk assistance is needed, let me know what needs to be done exactly, and ping me so that I'm notified.  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   10:25, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Wait... Reaper Eternal, did this SPI report need to be moved to Sockpuppet investigations/Ogledsurlyref as you indicated above? Let me know and I'll be happy to do so. I was just trying to figure out what was needed clerk-wise with this case. It was left with the status needing clerk assistance. ;-)  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   10:28, 31 August 2019 (UTC)


 * I've indefinitely blocked all the sockpuppets. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2019 (UTC)