Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OrbitalEnd48401/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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Sock account appeared and immediately reverts to revisions by the sock master. Also note the tendency of the sock master to leave a slew of typos, making it clear the username above was created by the sock master ("astonaut" instead of "astronaut"). and may wish to add here. Garretka (talk) 16:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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I also notice obvious similarities in the spaceflight-oriented choice of usernames (Orbital, Astronaut) and the use of the misspelled 'grsmmer' on Andrew the astonaut's user page, only one key away from 'grammer', which was used three times in edit summaries by OrbitalEnd48401 in the last ten days. --Deeday-UK (talk) 17:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

HOHO, found this, did some digging. Look at this:

curprev 16:06, 24 April 2019‎ Andrew the astonaut talk contribs‎ 10,969 bytes +13‎  Undid revision 893808303 by Andrewgprout (talk) I am with OrbitalEnd48401, keep the date undothank Tag: Undo

If I am sockpuppeting, would I really make it that bloody obvious that I made a second account? I mean if I was going undercover or whatever I wouldn't even mention my own goddamn user name? Ha what a lunatic. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Another suspected Sockpuppet is User:The face of the moon. -Samf4u (talk) 17:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Sam I suspect it's you. Becuase you want rid of me because I brought you up in the administrator noticboard and you hate my edits. Again I am suspecting but I can't wait to be ruled out as that impersonating idiot forgot theres something called an IP address. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 18:02, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

What the hell is this? Me being another user. How dare you, how dare you accuse me of Sockpuppeting. After all the stuff I’ve done here, you think i have another email and all that crap. I have one email only. Why the hell would I sock puppet? Firstly I use two IP’s my mobile hotspot and my home wifi. Prove i am this Andrew? After the discussions I’ve had recently do you think I’d be that stupid? Seriously? You’d think I’d want to throw away this opportunity of being here? Omg, I cannot believe you think I’d be this delusional to Sockpuppet? Why would I? Am I banned? No, do I have a goal no, because even I did decide to Sockpuppet, firstly the work would be similar and the fact that everything would be undone. I’m trying to be better and you’d think I’d do that? For gods sake I know I made mistakes but I’d never even dream of doing that. I would never ever be that goddamn stupid to trying my reputation more by doing that. If it’s me then that account should have a sign in at MY hotspot IP or my mobile IP. My god, this has P’d me right off seeing some idiot accuse me. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh to make it clear, at 4pm I was at college working in the workshop so I have lots of evidence to prove A) I was not on my phone. B) I’ll have my tutors and college students back me up that I was working. I’ve had a look at that fake account and it’s one edit? How does that relate to me? I want a goddamn bureaucrat inspect the IP’s because I use two IP’s this one: ###### which is my mobile IP and this one: ##### which is my home IP. So you have the IP’s, if I find someone has made that account to frame me, I will make sure you at banned, nasty nasty person. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

And this spelling mistake crap? I use my mobile sometimes when I cannot use my PC meaning I’m more vulnerable to grammer mistakes. So don’t, seriously just because spelling mistakes are not rare. And my name? To give you the goddamn story. That is my console name, my name isn’t related to space or astronaut or whatever. A family friend did that when they set up my console name, they came up with that because my old childish username on Xbox: mining 345 was taken up leading to that name. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:34, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

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 * It would appear that these two accounts are ❌. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:27, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Closing per comment by RickinBaltimore. The SandDoctor  Talk 22:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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If you look at this IPs history he admits twice, recently to andrewtheastonaut and some months ago to MilbourneOne, he is the blocked user OrbitalEnd48401. Also directly on the IPs talk page. The fingerprints of the IP and the blocked user absolutely match. Sorry I have not included diffs here as I am away from home and only have my iPad to edit on, on which it is difficult to cut and paste. If necessary I can provide such diffs Andrewgprout (talk) 05:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * Here is the diff where the IP admits he is OrbitalEnd. Pawnkingthree (talk) 07:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In this edit, OrbitalEnd states they use IP address 194.207.74.71 (and also 176.61.118.44). --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:12, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * In this edit summary, 195.195.244.197 states "this is Orbit." --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * For the record, OrbitalEnd refuses to comment on his own admission that 194.207.74.71 is his home IP address. --Deeday-UK (talk) 18:25, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Technically, editing with an IP Address while blocked is not sockpuppetry, and the user is not banned (please read WP:BAN).  — Jeff G. ツ 05:03, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like using IP 83.100.143.88 to evade his block. - Samf4u (talk) 14:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * IPs blocked for 3 and 1 month, respectively. Closing. The SandDoctor  Talk 13:19, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Appreciate this has been closed but just before it gets archived please note that User:83.100.143.88 has been blocked for a month per WP:DUCK. MilborneOne (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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This IP started editing yesterday and acts a lot like OrbitalEnd48401: they edit only air accident articles, focussing almost exclusively on infobox details. This edit is particularly revealing; it mirrors a previous edit by OrbitalEnd48401, later reverted, to the same article  with nearly identical wording for the accident type and the addition of the 'occupants' parameter, which is something I had suggested  OrbitalEnd48401 to do in a past discussion. This IP (located in South Korea) writes in broken English while purporting to come from South Korea, but their English is error-free when requesting edits to articles. They also seem knowledgable of Wikipedia projects and related practices, posting South-Korean text in the project's Talk page in response to my block-evasion report without having been pinged. Deeday-UK (talk) 13:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

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I'd like to add that I agree that the IP's behavior is very similar to OrbitalEnd48401. - Samf4u (talk) 15:35, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

The IP made two comments in Korean on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation. I ran the comments through Google Translate and they say "No account Edit when compared to other articles" and "I am a Korean who speaks English as I have learned. I am new to Wikipedia. If you are rude to me I leave with Korean version". - ZLEA T\C 15:55, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I Korean. Stop saying a puppet sock, it make you look funny, I search that and come back to puppet show 서울인형극회. If you this rude then I go back to Korean wiki. I done nothing wrong and after translate your comment to Korean I laugh. Really I laugh at how you accuse me of being someone else. I saw mistake and improvement which I add. I read page talk and people talking to get idea. English version better then Korean which is why am here. I do not want to be disrespect by you who think I puppet sock. Bye. 바보 영어 211.197.11.16 (talk) 15:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Least Koreans treat me respect. They do not say I 꼭두각시 양말. 211.197.11.16 (talk) 15:11, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Suspecting you of sockpuppetry is not disrespectful. In fact, you are considered innocent until proven guilty.  That does not mean that we will not investigate you, as we have enough evidence to suggest that you might be OrbitalEnd48401. - ZLEA T\C 23:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * For the record, user 211.197.11.16 has made around 30 edits on the Korean Wikipedia, all between March and July this year, mostly about nuts, apparently: pecan, chestnut, Brazilian nuts, Macadamia nuts, nut allergies, and Korean cuisine. There seem to be no aviation-related contributions. --Deeday-UK (talk) 16:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I just checked the IP on WHOIS (WHOIS 211.197.11.16) and compared it to two IPs (WHOIS 194.207.74.71 and 195.195.244.197) that were confirmed to be Orbit in a previous SPI. According to WHOIS, this IP is Korean, while both of Orbit's IPs are from the UK. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 23:19, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I tell you i Korean. Who do not love nut? I sorry I have different interest that make you suspicious. I done nothing wrong and you suspect me still? Of a silly puppet sock? After read what you say, you think I UK? I tell you thousand time I Korean. If I edit peanuts I do that, if I edit plane I do that, I have a hobby. 무식한 211.197.11.16 (talk) 12:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, I said that you are Korean. I also said that it is unlikely that you are a sockpuppet of OrbitalEnd48401 as all of Orbit's IP sockpuppets are from the UK. - <b style="color:#6B8E23">ZLEA</b> <b style="color:#6B8E23">T</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">\</b><b style="color:#6B8E23">C</b> 20:12, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I really don't know if this is OE but something is not right here, unfortunately being Korean is as simple as proxying your connections via Korea. The most telling thing to my mind is the mismatch between the somewhat theatrical broken English displayed above and the quite standard edit summaries of the IPs edits.   Andrewgprout (talk) 00:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * IP edits too old. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 18:00, 12 September 2019 (UTC)