Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Orsahnses/Archive

Report date June 30 2009, 15:40 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Similar edits and edit warring as, who is currently blocked for edit warring, to Filipino people (history) along with similar sounding edit summaries and personal attacks. The IP is currently reported at WP:AN3 for edit warring. Vicenarian (T · C) 15:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by Vicenarian  (T · C)

Additional personal attacks ( and ) along the same vein as comments by Orsahnses during the previous edit war. The IP is now temporarily blocked for personal attacks. Vicenarian (T · C) 15:49, 30 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

This is some of the evidence I submitted for my case regarding the same anon user for sockpuppetry, User:122.104.191.25
 * Comments by other users

*User is unwilling to discuss edits in the talk page of the article Filipino people. This is very similar to Orsahnses as he/she did not want to discuss matters in the talk page. Both users simply revert to what they think should be the correct version. Check history. *The user has been editing the article Filipino people extensively as did Orsahnses. *Both users have been reported for edit warning on the same article *Replies to comments on both user talk pages are the same. See User talk:Orsahnses, User talk:122.104.191.25. Both indicate use of "reply". I've never seen this used by anyone else. Furthermore, this user and Orsahnses are the only people who address me as "kid" *Orsahnses and anon user "both reword and clean up the article" Elockid (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC) *More evidence: Personal attack to me is very similar to the personal attacks used on the Filipino people history page. Personal Attack by anon user Personal attack on the history page This revision: 21:38, June 29, 2009

Both these personal attacks regard removal of Americans/American influence. Elockid (talk) 16:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I suggest the edit history of the Philippines should also be checked since the same user has also been edit warring there. There appears to be a conspiracy spanning several months with a whole bunch of sockpuppets beginning in October 2008.--23prootie (talk) 05:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I have added a new person. I hope I did it in the correct format. But here's the evidence for the reason why I believe User: Uchrgseous is a sockpuppet of Orsahnses.


 * 1) Their user pages are exactly the same. Before adding the sockpuppetry case on there both pages are the same. Here's the links: User: Uchrgseous and User: Orsahnses. I find it hard to believe that two users would use the same exact information on each of their user pages especially the same userboxes.
 * 2) Both Uchrgseous and Orsahnses both cleanup using WP:Cleanup. This has been very unique for me since I these are the first users I have seen that use a project page without any scripts (I don't think I saw any scripts on the cleanup page) to clean up an article and might I add the same exact project page. Check their special contributions page: Orsahnses' contributions and Uchrgseous' contributions. They're edit summaries are also quite similar.
 * 3) A lot of their edits pertain to Philippine topics. Elockid (talk) 12:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions

Fairly clear. See for example identical edit summaries on their user pages, as well as similar editing patterns. Master reblocked for a week; sock indef blocked; IP hardblocked for a week. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 15:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Report date July 21 2009, 18:48 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

The master has previously used IPs and socks to edit war at Filipino people. Most recently, was blocked for 48 hours for edit warring and incivility, and is still blocked as of this report. Orceuos has edited Filipino people, though 122.104.185.81 is still blocked, with the same type of edit as both 122.104.185.81, Orsahnses and previous socks. Please see the history of Filipino people for an account of the edit warring, and compare the edits, edit summaries and behavior of the three accounts. Use of sock puppets to evade a block and continue an edit war. Vicenarian (T · C) 18:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by Vicenarian  (T · C)

The master has now continued the war after his sock, Orceuos, was blocked AFTER I filed this report. The master has been warned against sockpuppeteering and edit warring, and does not seem to have any concept of the problem with his actions. I request all registered accounts be indefinitely blocked. Vicenarian (T · C) 19:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

If you compare these two diffs, I think it's pretty clear that Orceuos = Orsahnses and thus Orceuos should be indefinitely blocked. Vicenarian (T · C) 20:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest that CheckUser involvement may be warranted here. I'll admit I'm still fuzzy on the rules for use of CheckUser, but I think threats of violence like this should not tolerated. Vicenarian (T · C) 01:38, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * Evidence submitted by Elockid
 * Hopefully this will make things easier. This is a list of common edit summary phrases used by Orsahnses and suspected socks. "... using WP Cleanup", "Cleanup" (for wording, NPOV/POV). "Revert/Undid edits to Last correct version", "Revert/Undid edits to last version." (Note the period ending the sentence. This is just the sentence and nothing is added on to the sentence), "Undid and revert back to last version", "Correct(ed) article/sentence/ (using WP Cleanup)", "Improve (using WP Cleanup)", "Reword and clean up", "weasel words" and false accusations of vandalism for thinking that all users are violating POV/NPOV or No Original Research even though they were not. This is a dispute in information, this is what led to edit wars was that Orsahnses didn't like consensus, so he/she claimed other editors' edits as not adhering to POV, thus sometimes vandalism, political agenda, and propaganda in their summaries even though they were not. Elockid (talk) 00:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I added anon users User:122.104.190.191, User:122.104.187.65, and the IP range 122.104.xxx.xxx. Anon User:122.104.190.191 was blocked for two weeks for vandalism. From the edits and edit history of the IP's 122.104.190.191 Contributions, 122.104.187.65 Contributions, and 122.104.185.81 Contributions, they seem to be the same person. Also, the IPs are very similar. "Improve using WP: Cleanup" is a common phrase Orsahnses likes to use. These IPs, Orsahnses, and Orceous have similar editing patterns as they use "WP Cleanup" in their edit summaries, Orceous and Orsahnses are the only users who have POV problems with the article Filipino people, using "weasel words", "political" and "propaganda" for reasons when none appear to be present (otherwise it would have been tagged with problems awhile ago). All these users stick most of the time to Philippine topics. Elockid (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is rather late, but seeing how recently Orsahnses is using multiple accounts to evade blocks, I think that he/she might use this next, User:DCrhD. This account has been blocked before for edit warning, similar to Orsahnses and the suspected socks who do not wish to engage consensus with other editors for Philippine related topics. From their edit history, "Wikipedia Cleanup" comes up again (from experience, Orsahnses and suspected socks are the only users who use this), "rewording" and "keeping the article simple". This is very similar to Orsahnses' edit summaries. Also once again, sticking to Philippine related topics for their edits. Elockid (talk) 19:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * User JfdrU has engaged with edit war on the same article Filipino people from the number of reverts for a short time period. Orsahnses has history of having an edit war with other editors for this article. If you check their Jfdru edit summaries and Orsahnses' edit summaries, "weasel wording" and POV/NPOV for all edits aside from theirs come up for both editors for the article Filipino people. Also accusing other editors of vandalizing when no vandalism appears to be present, rather a content dispute. Orsahnses and JfdrU have this in their edit summaries. I also added User JfhdD since the name is extremely similar to JfdrU. Furthermore, like Orsahnses, this user has stuck to Philippine related topics only. Elockid (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've been doing a bit more digging around and I'm also adding two more users, User:Rfcesrce and User:IQfur01. Please forgive me if this is not directly a sock puppet issue, but it seems that these users seem to be Orsahnses. Both these users have engaged in an edit war for Philippine related topics. Rfcesrce on Philippines and IQfur01 on Filipino people, where the current edit war is. See talk page for User talk:Rfcesrce and User talk:IQfur01. Rfcesrce has similar editing patterns from what they provided in their edit summaries. "Reword", "Cleanup" and "WP Cleanup" once again come up. This is similar to Orsahnses. This seems weak as IQfur01 does not have the traditional reword, cleanup, and wp cleanup, but comparing it Orsahnses' edit summaries and IQfur01's edit summaries, they seem similar in wording. But saying NPOV, accussing vandalism on the same article when none seems present and politics (political related issues for the article), something Orsahnses has argued for the same article, is present for IQfur01. Furthermore, both of these users edit roughly Philippine related articles, similar to Orsahnses. Elockid (talk) 21:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Added another IP address, 122.104.194.252. User has similar personal attacks towards other editors with disagreement. See this Personal attack and this from the last investigation. Personal Attack 1 and Personal attack 2 and Personal attack 3. Also user 122.104.190.191, the IP that has been blocked for two weeks also made a similar personal attack towards another editor. Personal attack 4. Attack specifically towards American editors or what it seems the editor is trying to get at, people that don't have "true" Philippine ancestry. Elockid (talk) 22:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Added anon user 122.104.195.232. Personal attack. Extremely ironic how this user attacked the admin who (Rjanag) blocked the suspected socks (Orceous and Orsahnses) and me for compiling evidence. Might I add, the only people who the anon user attacked were people who made Orsahnses/Orceous mad. Check [It doesn't seem like a random attack by a random user as this anon user seemed to know exactly who they were going to target. Again similar IP addresses as other socks and one of the confirmed socks from the previous investigation. Note that this user has been blocked for 2 weeks for vandalism. Elockid (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd also like to point out that Orsahnses, Orceous and anon user 122.104.185.81, accuse other editors of seeking attention. Quite similar in the times they posted their accusations. All today and roughly the same time period: Orsahnses, 122.104.185.81 and Orceous under Talk:Filipino people in the section "Point of view on this article". Also with regard to 122.104.195.232 contributions, anon user 122.104.185.81 from their edit summaries are laughing at people, writing "ha" or repetitive "has" and also their use of "begging". Similar language patterns and word choice. Check Orsahnses last edit, . Also this edit is more use of laughing. Elockid (talk) 02:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Added anon user 122.104.196.167 for continued use of similar personal attacks. Check their contributions. Note that this user has been blocked for 2 weeks. Also this, diff. Note that use of "ha" again (laughing sound), the use of "seeking attention", and the use of "kid". Orsahnses used this. (Orsahnses and previous socks have called me the same thing). See User talk: Orsahnses. Choice of words are similar to suspected socks also. See above also. Elockid (talk) 00:20, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Due to similar multiple IPs and the nature of their editing patterns, if it is possible to perform a range block for the IP addresses (IP range 122.104.xxx.xxx), if IP addresses have been confirmed to be sockpuppets. Elockid (talk) 01:48, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A note: 122.104.0.0 - 122.111.255.255 are allocated to Optus Internet, an Australian ISP, states of New South Wales and Victoria. Blocking the range 122.104.x.x may cause significant collateral damage. Vicenarian  (T · C) 01:54, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow that is a huge IP range, I thought it was limited to just 122.104.x.x. It's probably not a good idea to do an IP range block then. Elockid (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

During the course of this SPI,
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Orsahnses has been indefinitely blocked on 19:29, 21 July 2009 by Rjanag for abusing multiple accounts and edit warring (see log entry).
 * Orceuos has been blocked for 24 hours on 18:53, 21 July 2009 (later extended to 72 hours on 18:57, 21 July 2009) by Rjanag for edit warring (see log entries).
 * 122.104.185.81 has been blocked for 48 hours on 12:44, 21 July 2009 by William M. Connolley for incivility and violating the three-revert rule (see log entry).
 * 122.104.195.232 has been blocked for 2 weeks on 01:26, 22 July 2009 by Fuhghettaboutit for vandalism.
 * 122.104.196.167 has been blocked for 2 weeks on 09:19, 22 July 2009 by Bongwarrior for block evasion.

MuZemike 21:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

I asked a CU to look into the /17 range, and it's highly used. So, sadly, a long-term rangeblock is not feasible. As a temporary measure, I have anon. only'd the range for a week. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 19:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC) All registered accounts indefinitely blocked by patrolling admin. MuZemike 21:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Report date September 15 2009, 14:28 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Similar behavior (edit warring on Philippines); similar personal attacks against opposing editors; almost identical user page to sockmaster's original page. The V-Man (Said · Done) 14:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by The V-Man  (Said · Done)
 * Same language about NPOV and the US  The V-Man  (Said · Done) 14:32, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users
 * Orsahnses and Boxedor share the same ideal, they both "hate" US, both "cleaning-up" articles, but in turn they both made concerned articles into big mess. They both leave offensive edit summaries and seems they own such articles. Both are reverting good edits done by other editors, which, they think is not appropriate to his/her taste.-- JL 09  <sub style="color:#7d7d7d;cursor:help;">q? <sub style="color:#177245;cursor:help;">c|undefined 14:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Blocked and tagged by another admin. MuZemike 15:18, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Evidence submitted by Pare Mo
Dorseoa's unconstructive edits and deliberately vague and inaccurate edit summaries&#151;the all-too-familiar "improve article," "fix sentences," "NPOV," and "clean up," just to mention a few&#151;lead me to believe that he is a sockpuppet of Orsahnses. The fact that their userpages are almost if not completely identical supports this. --Pare Mo (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Comments by other users
As Pare Mo said, they do resemble Orsahnses. Isahries like Orsahnses Orsahnses and their blocked sock, Boxedor have a great disgust for the United States, see their edit summaries and the kind of language they use. For Isahries, this edit, this edit and this edit uses the same exact use of "WP Cleanup" in their edit summary, something that Orsahnses likes to do like this, this or this. A view of the socks edits summaries (as Pare Mo has shown above) and the fact that their editing for the most part, Philippine based articles seems to pass the duck test. I've added the other socks because Orsahnses, as evident with Boxedor, and what it looks like now, Isahries, creates old socks and when one gets blocked, they move to a new one. Note the similarities in their edit summaries compared to the socks and Orsahnses. <b style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Elockid</b> ( Talk·Contribs ) 14:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I also find it very hard to believe that User:Dorseoa has the same exact user page as Orsahnses and a Uchrgseous blocked sock of Orsahnses. <b style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Elockid</b> ( Talk·Contribs ) 20:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Conclusions
Blocked and tagged. MuZemike 04:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by 112.202.232.110
This is the main account. Same edit summaries, same hatred for the United States, and same bad behavior. More here: Requests for adminship/Joseph Solis in Australia.

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
This seems to be a bad faith action, motivated on trying to get another editor blocked based on probably a pass dispute. Based on the information at hand, Joseph is an established editor and has a clean block log. Unless he's a really good actor since he hasn't pulled off WP:Cleanup or other Orsahnses phrases during the time Orsahnses was editing, I don't see anything that could tip me off as Orsahnses. The only bit of information I found is that Joesph and based on the IPs used from Orsahnes are in Australia. But that's pretty much it. Also, Joseph is working on topics that are United States based (cities and the NBA and it states in his user page that he supports that the Philippines should model itself like the U.S. I don't see hatred towards the U.S. here. The target articles are much broader than Orsahnses who mainly works on Philippine based topics. The edits that Joseph has been doing is way more than that. <b style="font-family:papyrus; color:darkred;">Elockid</b> ( Talk·Contribs ) 15:59, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

CheckUser request
Self-endorsing for CheckUser attention. Even though I strongly suspect sock puppetry on the part of 112.202.232.110 as well as 58.69.24.200 (both of which geolocate to Manila; the previously-suspected socks I believe geolocated to Australia), checking for accounts behind the IPs would normally seem like a fishing trip. However, looking at the histories of a couple of the articles frequently edited by socks or Orsahnses, at least a couple came up of interest that seems to match the MO of previous socks of Orsahnses:



MuZemike 01:53, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * is
 * is, predictably, ❌ to all other accounts listed here
 * The following are ✅ to relate to one another:
 * (already blocked as a sockpuppet of Orsahnses}
 * (ditto)
 * (ditto)
 * Plus a long list of IPs they were using while logged out. Unfortunately, this range is heavily used by others as well, so a rangeblock is out of the question. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 19:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (already blocked as a sockpuppet of Orsahnses}
 * (ditto)
 * (ditto)
 * Plus a long list of IPs they were using while logged out. Unfortunately, this range is heavily used by others as well, so a rangeblock is out of the question. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 19:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * (already blocked as a sockpuppet of Orsahnses}
 * (ditto)
 * (ditto)
 * Plus a long list of IPs they were using while logged out. Unfortunately, this range is heavily used by others as well, so a rangeblock is out of the question. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 19:15, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Conclusions
All confirmed accounts blocked and tagged. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 19:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Elockid
Same habits of using "improving" and "cleanup" in their edit summaries. Basically echoing the same evidence as the last investigation. Some of their edits like this, and this where they link to WP:Cleanup. This was heavily used by Orsahnses as well as some socks like and.

Interested in boxing like with another sock.

Note, I've already blocked it as a duck. <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:medium; color:#4682B4;"> E lockid</b>  ( Talk ) 20:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:medium; color:#4682B4;"> E lockid</b>  ( Talk ) 20:41, 27 June 2010 (UTC) Elockid hit the nail here with the request and there is a bit of suspicious activity here. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 21:09, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The last socks that were checked are probably stale by now. However, this user has history of making multiple accounts, so a sleeper check or a check for any missed accounts would be appreciated. <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:medium; color:#4682B4;"> E lockid</b>  ( Talk ) 20:46, 27 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Duck-block looks good to me. No sleepers or other accounts apparent, but many logged-out edits, as before. Amalthea  09:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)