Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/PakistanHistorian/Archive

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Compare this and this. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * ✅ +  Salvio 21:58, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
 * - Given the CU result above, please, block the three accounts as confirmed. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * . DatGuyTalkContribs 20:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

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Username with naming variations, editing same interest of pages. User: IdkAboutYouToo M.Ashraf333 (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked and tagged, leaving CU request for a clerk or CheckUser to evaluate. Bbb23 (talk) 18:32, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No others seen, closing. firefly  ( t · c ) 18:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This edit caught my attention where the user was seen restoring the exact same content as the master did a while ago.

The editing styles and POVPUSH are way too similar, see for example this sock edit where the user adds "Now," to the infobox with exactly the same capitalization as the master had done multiple done, e.g. here.

Asking for checkuser to further confirm this and look for other socks. Gotitbro (talk) 12:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Here is an edit by a previous sock, repeated in toto by our latest sock. Gotitbro (talk) 13:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Quite a similar username to the last blocked sock as well: IdkAboutYou8. Gotitbro (talk) 14:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Asking for a CU of, quite clearly part of the same sock-network, who hasn't been linked here as such. Gotitbro (talk) 14:30, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked and tagged. The filer requested a CU because they say that IdkAboutYou has not been "linked here as such". That account was confirmed and tagged on January 11. The fact that it's not in the archive is immaterial. I'm therefore closing the report, although a clerk may choose to endorse a CU rather than archiving. Bbb23 (talk) 15:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I did a bit of poking around, didn't see any other active accounts, but these are ✅. Archiving. Girth Summit  (blether)  20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Similar user name to previous sock, account created a few days after that one got blocked, largely the same editing: ~ ,   ~ ,  ~  – Uanfala (talk) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked, tagged, closing. Bbb23 (talk) 00:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
The user is up again with multiple name variations (IdkAboutYou8, IAmAnEditor8, IAmAnEditor08) as already mentioned in the achieve list. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅, --Blablubbs (talk) 08:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user TheTimesofPakania making similar edits to that of PakistanHistorian's socks, attempting to portray the Saraiki language as "Punjabic"  HistoryofIran (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * .  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same Pakistani POVPUSH as the master and previous socks; e.g. sock 1, current sock 1; s2, cs 2, s3, cs3.

. Asking for CU to further confirm this and look for other socks. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user who made more or less the same edit as one of PakistanHistorians socks  HistoryofIran (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: Actually, found a even more similar diff. This is obviously a sock, could a checkuser be done just to be safe considering it's a notorious sock we're dealing with?

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 * AuthorizedEditor101 is ✅.  I also see  who is ✅ and appears to be editing on related topics, but I'd appreciate if somebody more familiar with this case confirm the behavior. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced about Drahmad5931. They predate the master by several years and it's not surprising that two editors who are presumably in Pakistan would edit topics related to Pakistan. Closing. Spicy (talk) 14:09, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user, who at Saraiki language, made a very similar edit to that of PakistanHistorian's sock, trying to make it appear "Punjabic" HistoryofIran (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Might throw some WP:GS/CASTE protections around. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 00:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new users name is the random "PeoplesRepublicOfChina01", but they only edit in India/Pakistan related articles.

At Qazi Muhammad Isa, they more or less restored  the edit of one of the socks of PakistanHistorian  HistoryofIran (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ -- RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Same editing area Punjab/Pakistan, similar name as the last ID "PeoplesRepublicOfChina01". Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Editor interaction . Would like to ping for inputs, who's more familiar with the sockfarm. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the ping, I even reverted this user earlier but didn't realize it. Both users are keen on adding Balochi as a provincial/minority language, see the extremely similar edit summaries and BingChillings restoration of PakistanHistorian's sock, by adding Balochi in the minority section of the infobox once more . They also more or less restored the edit of PakistanHistorian's sock here  . Same here  . The EIU of me and BingChillingChina probably has more proof, as they've more or less reverted me in their attempt to restore the edits of PakistanHistorian . Could a checkuser be done just be safe? They may have other socks lying around. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Including UnionOfEditors that I added. Courcelles (talk) 00:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked, tagged. Master is well over 3X, so tagged as banned. Closing. Courcelles (talk) 00:51, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Restoring and burnishing disruptive edits of past socks and master: Sock1, Master1, S2, M2, S3, M3, S4, M4, S5, M5.

While, asking for CU to check for other sleepers. Gotitbro (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:07, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Very identical edits:


 * 1) PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (PakistanHistorian's sock) NorthEdits
 * 2) PeoplesRepublicOfChina01 (PakistanHistorian's sock) NorthEdits HistoryofIran (talk) 01:42, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Likely a sock. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅. Blocked, tagged, closed.  Courcelles (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user, more or less restored PakistanHistorians edits:
 * 1)
 * 2)  --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:14, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles (talk) 12:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked, tagged, reverted, closing. Courcelles (talk) 12:56, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Last sock was blocked on 16 August, EnchantedEdits created their account the day after. Incredibly similar edits, some the exact same:


 * 1) MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits
 * 2) MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits
 * 3) MiddleEastToday EnchantedEdits HistoryofIran (talk) 12:22, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ RoySmith (talk) 14:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
FederalEditorial literally appeared right after PakistanHistorians sock EnchantedEdits got blocked and continued where they left in the same type of articles

Compare also  HistoryofIran (talk) 12:48, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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✅, no sleepers at this time. --Yamla (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * . MarioGom (talk) 22:28, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @Yamla I also looked at this but didn't take any action. Just want to make sure you saw the comments I left in cuwiki about some other possible socks. RoySmith (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Noted. I expect at least some of those will turn out to be socks, but I think it's too soon to say definitively. Thanks for your notes. --Yamla (talk) 15:46, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Closing. MarioGom (talk) 17:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user restored the edit  of one of PakistanHistorians socks HistoryofIran (talk) 12:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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✅, no sleepers at this time. I haven't done the block and revert, leaving that to patrolling admins due to current Internet limitations. :) --Yamla (talk) 12:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * - please, block as confirmed, thank you. MarioGom (talk) 21:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Attempts to reinstate similar edits on the same pages that another proven sockpuppet account (User:CentralExecutiveEdits) tried making very shortly after its banning.

Diff 1: vs

Diff 2: vs  MaplesyrupSushi (talk) 00:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ and blocked, sweeping for others.  Girth Summit  (blether)  16:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That seems to have been the only active account. Closing.  Girth Summit  (blether)  16:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Relatively new user, extremely similar edit as one of PakistanHistorians socks. Also similar lede changes here.

SouthAsianEdits started really editing on 5 October, two days after one of PakistanHistorians socks were blocked. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ RoySmith (talk) 21:38, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Similar editing pattern previous sock & this account samee  converse  00:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles (talk) 14:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Blocked, tagged, reverted, closed. Courcelles (talk) 14:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user and already incredible similar EIA with PakistanHistorian and their socks on many niche topics that are barely edited by others      --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: Found the smoking gun  --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:48, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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Looks like him. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles (talk) 14:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Courcelles (talk) 14:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user, incredibly similar edit and edit summary  HistoryofIran (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC) If Pentapotamianist turns out to be a sock of PakistanHistorian, can a tool be used to revert all their edits? They have made a lot edits. That seems to be the tactic of PakistanHistorian, keep making the same edits through different socks till they end up staying. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Added Pentapotamianist, which has a same overlap of Punjab/Pakistan POVPUSH in that area topic. Gotitbro (talk) 18:24, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Indeed, basides the POV cruft half of the edits are down right hoaxes (e.g. "Punjabic", "Pentapotamian" as languages). Gotitbro (talk) 19:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I filed another SPI with 'Pentapotamianist' as one of the suspected socks of another user. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * At Languages of Pakistan, Pentapotamianist added the same short description added by the socks of PakistanHistorian and which I reverted   --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Would appreciate if this could get looked at soon, since Pentapotamianist is making a lot of edits. HistoryofIran (talk) 04:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Both also removed the same sourced info at Lahnda  --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Is there a tool that reverts all their edits? They've made quite the mess, 616 edits, and they have a notorious history of WP:TENDENTIOUS editing. Also makes it easier to track them, knowing they will be back with another account(s) in 2-3 days. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ivanvector Gotcha, thanks! I did try to use Rollback earlier, but I'm a bit of a noob at it. Not sure if I can utilize it the same way as an admin? Anyhow, thanks again! HistoryofIran (talk) 18:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * I've opened an SPI case against Pentapotamist here. And the diff demonstrates one of the main characteristic of the LTA. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * - see diffs linked above, for  vs  for confirmed sock, and  for  vs  for confirmed sock, among others. Rather ducky but would like confirmation along with any possible sleepers. DatGuyTalkContribs 12:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * The following accounts are ✅ to each other and to confirmed socks from previous reports:
 * All . Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * indeed there is, and I have done so. Anything else that they changed that the tool didn't pick up can be undone per WP:BANREVERT. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @HistoryofIran: there is a "mass rollback" tool that I think is only available to admins. It works like regular rollback except it requires an edit summary, which you can see I messed up this time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * All . Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:24, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * indeed there is, and I have done so. Anything else that they changed that the tool didn't pick up can be undone per WP:BANREVERT. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @HistoryofIran: there is a "mass rollback" tool that I think is only available to admins. It works like regular rollback except it requires an edit summary, which you can see I messed up this time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
 * @HistoryofIran: there is a "mass rollback" tool that I think is only available to admins. It works like regular rollback except it requires an edit summary, which you can see I messed up this time. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user, created two days after the latest sock was blocked. Keen on adding "Punjab(i)" to articles like PakistanHistorian  and edits in articles that has been heavily targeted by them (Saraiki language, Hindko, Pahari-Pothwari‎. Compare , where they both added "variety". EIA is also already similar  HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Added The Revolutionistic who is making same edits on the same edits as this sockmaster. Compare:  and, and also  and. Its been a week that this SPI is stale, pinging you both to check. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 17:42, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * Both ✅. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user created some days after PakistanHistorian's latest sock was blocked. This edit restored some parts that PakistanHistorian's sock attempted to add, compare  HistoryofIran (talk) 14:19, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

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 * is to the already-cu-blocked, who in turn is likely to , in the archives of this case. Combined with the behavior, this is all clearly the same sockfarm. I've indeffed, closing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
@LingoSouthAsia has restored some preferred wordings of previous socks in a couple of articles. This includes introducing piped links in the infobox replacing Lahnda with |Western Punjabi and changing the primary characterization of a language as an Indo-Aryan language to "West Punjabi language" or "West Punjabi Language variety". Here is a pair of matching diffs:

and
 * @LingoSouthAsia:
 * @:
 * @LingoSouthAsia:
 * @:

– Austronesier (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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I can swear to God that I am not PakistanHistorian. Wikipedia's purpose is to benefit readers by presenting information being verifiable by published sources. It is sad that rather then reading under lying sourced references on the topic be it Cardona or Masica P Collin or George A. Grierson here  or others. Two users being possible socks of each other Austronesier and Snusho have same pattren of reinforcing there own personal parameters in these edits @Snusho, @Snusho, and @Austronesier There has been personalizations. Wikipedia's editors should treat each other with respect and civility Respect your fellow Wikipedians, even when you disagree. Apply Wikipedia etiquette, and do not engage in personal attacks. I request @DatGuy to Check users Austronesier and Snusho for possible socks who edits same Indo aryan language articles and back each other regularly. LingoSouthAsia (talk) 05:19, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

PakistanHistorian never defends his SPIs Please see

PakistanHistorian has a pattren of many socks at a time Please see and  and

PakistanHistorian never uses linguistic titles rather like editor etc Please see and and and few others

99% pages edited by PakistanHistorain dont match pages I edited Please see

He edits from diffrent range as confirmed by Check user weak possible was assesed, may be due to the fact that I live in a metropolitan city with 14 million plus population where many people have similer opinion on Saraiki and many web searches will confirm this side as well.

PakistanHistorain never discusses on Talk page I always give reason for my edits in talk page even if other party is not following best practices. LingoSouthAsia (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * Same area, but on a range they've rarely used. I'd put it right around a weak . I'll note that in the first diff it's an undo of an edit rather than a new addition, and that the POV they're pushing doesn't seem to be a particularly rare one. DatGuyTalkContribs 20:20, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The behavioral indicators, while suspicious, are weak. I'm not going to be specific for WP:BEANS reasons but aside from these diffs I can't find anything incriminating, and a lot of minor things that suggest no connection. I can't rule out mischief being done here, but I'm not willing to block based on behavior alone at this time. Marking for closure. Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Account created a day after the latest sock TheAryanic was blocked. Like the other socks, they are also fixated on articles like Hindko and trying to change it to "Punjabi" HistoryofIran (talk) 12:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * ✅. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:18, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * 1) Account created 2 days after the latest sock was blocked.
 * 2) Does not even remotely edit like a new user, highly interested in adding "Punjabi" to lots of stuff like Pakistanhistorian and their socks, even making Punjabi Gurjar, which looks like a WP:CFORK of Gurjar.
 * 3) Makes a lot of edits in a short time like Pakistanhistorian and their socks. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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 * , which does not bode well for User talk:PakistanHistorian. DatGuyTalkContribs 13:28, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Serious IP socking from the range 2407:D000:F:0:0:0:0:0/48 with multiple overlaps and similar stylistic/Punjabi POVPUSH edits. Comparitive IP sock and previous sock edits:, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,. Gotitbro (talk) 14:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Punjabization, this article was also created by a sock IP from the range, should be deleted. Asking for a block on 2407:D000:F:0:0:0:0:0/48, considering the extensive socking that has come from that range. Gotitbro (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Socking/meatpuppetry also appears have come from 92.40.0.0/16 which is already partially banned, looks like its time for a complete block. Gotitbro (talk) 13:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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I did get a feeling of deja vu when dealing with some of the IPs. I guess that explains why. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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 * That's a huge and incredibly noisy range. I don't see much recently that looks like collateral damage, so I'm willing to try softblocking it. We'll see what kind of impact this has, and reevaluate if we need to. The Wordsmith Talk to me 22:51, 12 July 2024 (UTC)