Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Petri Krohn/Archive

Report date May 2 2009, 03:54 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by Biophys (talk) 03:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

1. Offliner also edits as User:80.247.246.99. They edit the same articles sequentially at the same time. Examples in different articles:
 * 1) see at the bottom of the edit history,
 * 2) see February 26 2008,
 * 3) see January 2008
 * 4) see January 2008
 * 5) see December 2007

2. Petri Krohn also edits as User:62.220.237.57, he announced this at his user page here

3. Both IPs come from the very same geographic area, at the South of Finland.

4. User:91.152.84.165 edits the same articles as Petri, has a very similar POV, and he comes from the same geographic location. This IP has been previously discussed, and it remains unknown who that really was.

5. Krohn and Offliner sometimes edit the same articles. Examples:
 * 1) identical edits ("alleged MI-6 career") in Alexander Litvinenko: Petri Offliner
 * 2) anti-Estonian historian Dyukov,
 * 3) Almost sequential edits, in Backman,
 * 4) Sequential edits in Finnish Anti-Fascist Committee; see here.

6. They also edit on the closely related subjects. The both edit war with the same group of users from Baltic states, usually without debating much at talk pages. Offliner also follows and reverts my edits. Their schedule suggests editing by the same person from one or several computers - please see several last days below:

7. Offliner was obviously not a newcomer when he made his first edits in wikipedia. I though he was as sockpuppet of User:LokiiT, but Checkuser said they came from different countries (see here - this comment by Thatcher).


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I am not User:Petri Krohn. Apart from the (coincidental) timing of our edits in the last few days (one should take a look at the longer history as well), the "evidence" provided here for the claim that I am Krohn's sockpuppet is very weak, if not nonexistent. We usually edit completely different articles. A funny fact is, that on 30 March we seem to be conducting edits at exactly the same time: . Probably a hard task to accomplish if we are the same person... Offliner (talk) 07:59, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I see. This goes back more than a month, and I only looked your edits during last week. However, such thing would be possible if several people shared your account, or if someone worked from two windows on the same computer (the edit by Petri was very short and done in a hurry - he forget to sign it; some people can do four to five edits during one minute, and one of them just commented below). I still suggest that checkuser should make a check to clarify the situation. Too many users with the same political agenda and POV, including strange IPs, are coming from the same location and follow edits of the same Baltic users. Biophys (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, this is enough. Now you start accusing Offliner of the same stuff that you accused me of, and for which you got a stern warning. So you now continue it against other editors. You will NEVER learn Biophys, I am alerting admins to this on the noticeboard. --Russavia Dialogue 15:44, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Offliner, DO NOT answer or respond to these accusations. One does not get to have free reign to make every accusation known to man against other editors just because it is on a sockpuppet report. It seems that Biophys is intent on accusing every editor with whom he is in dispute with of sockpuppetry, sharing accounts, being in the web brigades, being in the KGB/FSB, etc. It is outright harrassment and you should not respond to it. And I have now alerted admins to this at Administrators'_noticeboard. Let them deal with it, and say nothing more here. --Russavia Dialogue 16:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Where were you when Petri Krohn filed this travesty? No evidence whatsoever, and yet it made a lot of unnecessary trouble to everybody.  In this case, we have considerable evidence of abuse, and here you are, proposing a stonewalling tactic merely because you happen to agree with this puppet.  No morals at all. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 17:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The only evidence is that Biophys is continuing to use such fora as an avenue to harrass editors with whom he is in dispute. And it appears that this very case was filed after Offliner responded to Biophys on his own talk page here; time stamps don't lie just in case it is claimed that he already started this report prior to Offliner's response. There is zero chance that this report will be acted upon, and if it should be, I myself will be asking for that action to be investigated, as it is way beyond harrassment by Biophys, and it is completely wrong for admins to validate and legitimise such actions. There has to come a point when we say enough is enough and we are now long past that point in my humble opinion. --Russavia Dialogue 18:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Note to Checkuser: I do use my account across a variety of computers. Notice, for example (without disclosing my location or giving permission to disclose my location in any way), the switch on 20 April. To prove that the accusations are without merit: notice how this puts some geographical distance between me and Krohn, thus proving that we cannot be the same person. As for this report and the comments here by Biophys & Co. (such as the one which says I'm "basically an SPA"), I regard them as personal attacks and will file a report if this continues. Offliner (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users
 * Any check user considering this case, should note that Biophys has a history of fishing and harrassment against other editors. Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive191 was his latest example. User:Petri Krohn announces that he may sometimes edit from 62.220.237.57, so this is hardly a sockpuppet, in that it is not being used in a disruptive way. One IP is located in Espoo, the other in Forssa; they are not that close to one another. Additionally, the IPs haven't been edited under since 2007 and 2008. If one were to search look at Offliner's edits, there is more reason to believe that he is my sockpuppet, than Petri Krohn's. This needs to be chalked up to yet another attempt at harrassment by Biophys on an editor with whom he is in dispute with across a variety of articles. --Russavia Dialogue 13:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally, it should be made known, that Offliner has done a lot of expansion in articles, and when Biophys says that Offliners edits are mainly reverts, this is not the case, but when there are reverts, it is due to Biophys' tedious ownership of articles, and is also due to things such as User_talk:Offliner. This is merely an extension of Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive191, except now Biophys is extending this fishing to other editors. Also, it should be noted that other editors, including User:Digwuren (who removed my comments above) believe that is Johan Backman. Such blatant fishing should not be encouraged here on WP. --Russavia Dialogue 20:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The location by IP finders is very approximate. For example, it shows that I live in a big city D, and I live very far from it. Yes, I talked with the user, because I believe that Petri is a productive contributor, and I commented in his favor during an AE discussion that came to a conclusion that "Petri Krohn will be immediately blocked upon disruptive edits". Biophys (talk) 23:44, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Petri Krohn vs Offliner Mainspace.png Offliner and I haven't really clashed in the past, except for the articles Finnish Anti-Fascist Committee and Johan Bäckman. Offliner went as far as submitting three 3RR reports in one day against a number of editors, including myself, which was rather surprising. Petri Krohn has a particular interest in these same articles. I've done an analysis of the editing patterns of both users. There seems to be a correlation. The volume of Offliner's edits dramatically drops with the return of Petri in late 2008, then rises dramatically with the peaks of Petri's edits seemingly corresponding with the troughs of Offliner edits. Martintg (talk) 04:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hm. This is interesting.  It might suggest that a single person, with roughly stable number of editing hours, is editing from both accounts, but sometimes erring to one side, sometimes to other, in balancing their activity. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 06:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

That was evasion of block by ArbCom. Krohn was banned by Arbcom until October 2008,, but Offliner started editing in January 2008. Biophys (talk) 03:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Constant edit warring, WP:DE, most edits by Offliner are reverts:.

Requested by Biophys (talk) 03:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

for checkuser attention. Nathan  T (formerly Avruch) 18:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The ban has expired, I don't think Arbcom ban/sanction evasion still applies here. That being said, you can strike 62.220.237.57 out of the equation since Petri Krohn's user page already claims this is his IP. -- Luk  talk (lucasbfr) 08:21, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When User:Offliner appeared, the ban had barely ran for two months, which meant it was ban evasion at that time. We have solid precedents for considering ban evasion as actionable, although it is usually discovered somewhat earlier than in this case. ΔιγουρενΕμπρος! 09:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

of this information from Offliner. Yes, it is above, but it may not be seen in amongst the accusations against him. --Russavia Dialogue 12:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The accounts are ❌. No evidence was presented regarding the IPs. Biophys and Russavia, in the future, please ask someone more discreet, perhaps a clerk, to file requests here for you. Both of you have been disruptive to the process; this is not the place to carry on your dispute and engage in long arguments with little relevance to the actual investigation of sockpuppetry. If you want to complain about harassment, do so elsewhere. Dominic·t 13:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

nothing more to be done here. Mayalld (talk) 13:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Mayalld (talk) 13:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions