Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Philly jawn/Archive

06 November 2011

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Uncovered during a dispute on Peanut butter and jelly sandwich. After adding the disputed material on 12/15/2010, Philly Jawn disappears. Surf Dog returns from a six month absence on 2/17/2011, edits again on 3/18/2011 and disappears. Philly Jawn, after a 5 month absence, edits on 5/5/2011 and 8/27/2011, then disappears. On 9/23/2011, after a 6 month break, Surf Dog returns to restore and defend Philly Jawn’s edits. After Surf Dog’s most recent edits on 11/5/2011, Philly Jawn returns, after a 3 month break, returns to defend Surf Dog.

In addition to Peanut butter and jelly sandwich, both have edited 420 (cannabis culture), the “Good Turns” section of Boy Scouts of America, Epiphany, Frank Deford, List of fountains in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area, March 24, March 5, and Takoma Park, Maryland. Philly Jawn created a redirect at Hispanic Business magazine. Surf Dog created a redirect at Hispanic Magazine.

Until relatively recently, both were overly fond of the “minor edit” check box. Both have the unusual habit of beginning talk page entries with an asterisk. Sum mer PhD (talk) 03:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * I know some editors IRL. I may have made a phone call asking for help. Surf Dog (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So, your defense is that you "may have" used meat puppetry? Clarify, please. Did you call anyone? If so, who? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 04:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * meatpuppetry? Hardly. After complaining that I was being harassed here User_talk:SummerPhD I may have discussed the issue at a small gathering of wikipedians today in DC. I may have also told someone in a phone call about that a certain pinheaded editor was being a pr**k to me, chasing me to articles that had nothing to do with an initial disagreement. That s not meatpuppetry. I usually edit using my ip address, I only log on when I think it matters. I looked at the articles in question. I had no idea that PJ and I edited the same articles. That may be because we discussed something or may have used the others computer. We weren't however colluding or being meatpuppets. I can't speak for anyone else.
 * most of what's being claimed is bogus. I hadn't realized that being an infrequent editor was a crime. As for the redirects, That was intentional, because I'm working on a bio with PJ and a couple of other editors. I've worked collaboratively with a number of people, though those edits won't ever show in this account.
 * if anyone cares, SummerPhD kept escalating what should have been an easy to resolve argument. This is a further escalation of that editing disagreement. I can't imagine what it must be like to be such a disagreeable person who is so vengeful and vindictive when they can't bully someone into submission. I really don't know what else to say ... Sorry if I have friends? I'm going to message PJ ad let them know what's going on, otherwise they may not realize it. It's also late at night here. Surf Dog (talk) 04:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * So, PJ adds the info. I remove it. You, unaware that you and PJ edit the same articles, come to the article and defend it. Then, unaware you and PJ edit the same articles, you "may have" phoned someone, who happens to be PJ? And you "may have" discussed this today in DC with PJ? Wow. The cosmos is conspiring to get you two together! As a sign of your destined, cosmic connection, you both start talk page additions with a star. You should get a room together. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)


 * can I also say that it's driving me nuts that summerphd is driving an edit war and I'm sure that if I edit anymore to the article in question I may next get accused of violating 3RR. Surf Dog (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can certainly say I'm driving an edit war. But basing that on me adding a tag to check the reliability of a WP:SPS and removing the POV "In a similar manner," is a bit of a stretch. As for you being sure of what I will do in some hypothetical future, I'm not much for reading the stars. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 13:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I now see the article has been edited by Billysbrown whose entire edit history consists of two edits in 2007. Apparently he checks his talk page on a regular basis. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry here. After having a conversation with someone I work with I decided to look in on the Peanut Butter and Jelly article. Wikipedia is the only place where having friends and discussing things with people can be seen as a crime. The record is what it is. As for BillyBrown, I know that they are a subject matter expert on PB & J and asked them to weigh in.

When I get bored, when I get really bored, I may look in on the work that the people I know are doing. I have many edits. The fraction of articles I share with Surfdog are few. In fact, seeing as I have edited on a number of Philadelphia articles, I wouldn’t be surprised if I have a number of shared articles with summerphd. Wouldn’t that be surprising? I wish I had access to the tool that compares users, but sadly, it doesn’t seem to work for me. However, I share similar edits with a lot of people with whom I have worked collaboratively.

Summerphd borders on a cyber stalker, and this was the issue that was brought up to me initially. The fact that she escalated her editing war from PB&J to the cruelty-free article is a little disturbing. She also seems close to 3RR on the PB&J article. What also bothered me was the tendentious editing done on the PB&J article, which is why I called her on it. I shouldn’t have been surprised when she the escalated a simple disagreement on statements and citations. In fact, I left a comment for some about an article on their talk page, the summerphd decided to comment on that on my talk page.

This will be the last I write on this as I am traveling this week and don’t have ready access to a computer.

Best wishes,

Philly jawn (talk) 13:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * For the record, checking my 11,000+ edits in 2011 against Philly jawn, we've both edited Betsy Ross and Betsy Ross House (the Philadelphia connection). Surf Dog and I have no other articles in common (not even the “Good Turns” section of Boy Scouts of America or List of fountains in the Kansas City Metropolitan Area). - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 14:59, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Sorry, but no. Meatpuppetry can extend to recruiting people to edit on your behalf. It's kinda gaming the system. If you revert three times and then call your buddy to revert three times more, I'm pretty sure that still violates 3RR. Discussing this is beyond the scope of SPI, but for the record, I'll point out that the two accounts are related, but not socks. I'm closing with no action taken here, but this could be brought up at other venues.. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 14:01, 6 November 2011 (UTC)