Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Physiker121/Archive

02 December 2013

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This is my first report, apologies if I'm doing something wrong. Two single-purpose domains and two single-purpose IP's trying to talk up Friedwardt Winterberg, for example trying to turn a parenthetical mention of Winterberg (and several others) into a lede paragraph giving Winterberg priority for black hole firewalls. Diffs are all of the diffs for these two single-purpose accounts and the first two single-purpose IP's, for example, , and. One IP is allegedly from U Nevada Reno where Winterberg works. There may have been similar problems before with. If it's relevant, there are also a lot of blog comments across the Internet pushing that Winterberg invented firewalls, such as. I would think CheckUser couldn't hurt, but the template says it usually isn't necessary so I guess I won't request CheckUser. Third ip, 71.165.238.11, is not single-purpose and might just be an unrelated vandal who removed a COI tag against 134.197.31.189. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 08:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Update: after I posted this, QuantumMechanic1 spontaneously volunteered "by the way, this is 98.166.246.220." . He has not stated, nor has he been asked to state, whether he's also 134.197.31.189 or Fyziks123. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 22:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this is a typical response/poor defense for those who find themselves on the losing side of an argument. In my case I am 2500 miles away from that university and have no connections with them whatsoever and that should be obvious to anyone who does a trace on my IP address. Perhaps his time would be better spent honing his arguments rather than throwing baseless accusations at people. I volunteered myself as a third opinion in what I saw was a deadlock between two extreme views. One that stated Winterberg invented firewalls vs the one that stated his work wasn't related. As I discovered the truth was somewhere in between and I offered that as a compromise. He didn't like that and started making sock puppet accusations after he vandalized my edits. I created an account to make an edit and didn't make any secrete about who I was in the talk page. I suspect the others may also be unrelated. I do know Winterberg himself is a very old man and I doubt very much he has the skills to make multiple accounts for the purpose of fooling anyone. Whether his students or colleagues think highly enough of him to write about him on Wikipedia is an open question. As for me personally I live on the east coast and that should be very easy to verify. QuantumMechanic1 (talk) 01:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


 * QuantumMechanic1 sounds exactly like Physiker121. From : "The man is 80 years old and doesn't know how to defend himself against such computer based attacks on his character" and "If you bothered to check my IP you would see I am more than 2500 miles from there and have nothing to do with that university." are both quotes from User:Physiker121. Also, how would QuantumMechanic1 know whether Winterberg, who is still actively writing papers and posting blog comments about how he invented firewalls, does or doesn't have "the skills to make multiple accounts"? Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * First you accuse me of being everyone else on that page, now you accuse me of being someone else who was never been on that page? Which is it? It seems the only arguments you can make are casting dispersions against those you disagree with. You might want to take into account there are a few editors who might know a bit more than you do on various topics and act accordingly rather than throw out false accusations against people people who have different opinions. QuantumMechanic1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * At this stage, I'm not utterly convinced QuantumMechanic1 is Fyziks123. So I'm closing as no action needed. Feel free to re-report if there is more evidence suggesting a link. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

30 January 2014

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This is a sequel to my earlier unsuccessful investigation request at WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/Fyziks123/Archive.

1. All the listed accounts are WP:SPA's and/or new accounts that seem to exist for the primary purpose of promoting idiosyncratic views that are generally attributed to Friedwardt Winterberg, such as the view that Winterberg has partial or full priority for the discovery of black hole firewalls. If it's one account that's fine (especially if any WP:COI is appropriately declared), but obviously multiple non-independent accounts constitutes disruptive puppetry.

2. All the listed accounts except for the quiescent User:Physiker121 have advocated or edit-warred in the low-page-view Talk:Firewall (Physics) to ensure Winterberg is mentioned. Originally some "bad cops" suggested a larger mention; more recently, some "good cops" have suggested a compromise on a small mention. Either one is an extreme fringe point of view, that I doubt anyone without a WP:COI would hold. I base this firstly on my personal (non-expert) judgement, secondly on searching the Internet and finding that Winterberg seems to be the only physicist advocating a connection between Winterberg and the discovery of firewalls (for example, Winterberg advocates here: ; feel free to do a Google search yourself and confirm no other physicists agree with or acknowledge the claim), and thirdly on the fact that after filing an RFC, the only two new non-SPA's to reply disagreed strongly with the WP:SPAs. Of course, you (the administrator) can view the RFC and decide for yourself.

3. User:Physiker121 is inactive and has not participated in Firewall (Physics), but has a similar name to Fyziks123 and QuantumMechanic1. User:Physiker121 sounds *exactly* like QuantumMechanic1, as I pointed out at WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/Physiker121/Archive. Of course, it's no major problem if the inactive Physiker121 is Fyziks123 or if Physiker121 is QuantumMechanic1, but if Physiker121 is Fyziks123 and Physiker121 is QuantumMechanic1, then Fyziks123 is QuantumMechanic1 and that's a problem.

4. It appears another user has notes that might relate ; should I ask for Alve*trand's input, or would that be WP:CANVASSING?

5. Note the case might be complicated by WP:COI, as 134.197.31.189 is the University of Nevada, where Friedwardt Winterberg appears to be employed.

6. I'm not sure what diffs, if any, to provide to you, the admin. I would think just looking at the Talk:Firewall (Physics) page and forming your own judgement would be the easiest way for you to decide, but if you ask me I can put together 11 diffs for the 11 socks to show that they're all pushing a pro-Winterberg opinion. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 03:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Give me a break, are we starting this nonsense again, really? The first sockpuppet investigation this person started previously with Fysiks123 ended in failure so why are we doing this again? Mr Rolf Nelson has filed complaint after complaint Rfc's, sockpuppet investigations, npov complaints, etc. Each time he has failed to prove his case and each time he refuses to drop this nonsense. At this point it is clear this is nothing more than harassment on his part and a clear abuse of the system. If you look at the record, it was he who was engaging in edit warring, but all that is ancient history as far as I am concerned. QuantumMechanic1 (talk) 13:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

One other thing. I looked all throughout this article and physiker121 hasn't contributed a single thing to that so why is he being investigated as a sock puppet? Looking at his contributions it appears to be a defunct account that hasn't been used in 2 years. Fysiks123 is a new user and it was already determined he is not me, so why are we doing this other than to allow Rolf Nelson to drag this on as long as he can in hopes of swaying someone to his point of view? QuantumMechanic1 (talk) 17:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm continuing to ignore most of the obvious nonsense you're saying unless asked by the admin to comment, but the statement that "it was already determined (Fysiks123) is not (QuantumMechanic1)" is something I need to respond to because it sounds like you're trying to blatantly deceive people about the outcome of a prior investigation, which is the kind of thing that IMHO is tipping this into a WP:ANI incident. Can you back up your statement that "it was already determined (Fysiks123) is not (QuantumMechanic1)"? If not, it appears we have yet another problem on our hands. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The deception was coming from you for starting a sock puppet investigation on a defunct account in the first place - an account that obviously hadn't contributed anything to the firewall page. If you publicly accuse me of being a sock puppet one more time I will file a complaint against you for harassment. QuantumMechanic1 (talk) 23:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * If you're asking whether I still believe you're a puppet, based on behavioural analysis, then yes, I believe you're a puppet. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 00:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * In any case, I'll take that as a 'no, I can't back up my claim that "it was already determined (Fysiks123) is not (QuantumMechanic1)".' Rolf H Nelson (talk) 00:14, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Based on your overzealous behavior both on Wikipedia and elsewhere I would say you have an overactive imagination and "way" too much time on your hands. Do you have a job? QuantumMechanic1 (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
I've merged Sockpuppet investigations/Fyziks123 (and archive) with this name. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:14, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

- Definitely enough evidence to suggest a link this time. Given the number of accounts and the different connections between them could a CU take a look please? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:14, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * These two accounts are ✅:
 * based on IP, but with an identical useragent:
 * Very, but still with the same useragent:
 * Apparently ❌ are:
 * is . Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Very, but still with the same useragent:
 * Apparently ❌ are:
 * is . Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently ❌ are:
 * is . Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * is . Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * is . Thanks. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Physiker121 is listed twice - is the first one supposed to be Fyziks123? ​—DoRD (talk)​ 21:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is correct. I double-checked the rest of the results, and they are what I meant to say. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The behaviour of the two inconclusive accounts and the 69.* IP are enough for me to block. Not enough evidence for the others, closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:15, 3 February 2014 (UTC)