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25 September 2013

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On 16 Sep., after a shorter block for edit warring and numerous additional warnings, user Prestigiouzman was blocked indefinitely for inability to edit constructively, particularly with regard to unwillingness to reach consensus over repeated insertion of unreliable pseudo-history into Irish-related articles. This block is still in place. On 25 Sep., with a ranting edit summary IP 111.90.189.206 reinserted mythical family history into O'Connell (name) that Prestigiouzman had originally put there on August 26. The only two other edits by this IP were to Talk pages and in each case, signed-in user Prestigiouzman immediately followed the edit by replacing the IP signature with their own (and in one case adding to the comment). & ; & This clearly shows that the IP and Prestigiouzman are the same editor, and thus that user Prestigiouzman is using the IP as a sock, editing without signing in to evade the user account block. Agricolae (talk) 17:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * Blocked IP for 1 month per WP:DUCK. (Accidentially indeffed IP, then fixed my mistake right away.)  Closing.  —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 00:08, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

05 October 2013

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See this diff. Very similar edits to the campaign carried out by this editor. Fiddle  Faddle  12:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Apart from being a vandal, this editor exhibits WP:Randy in Boise tendencies, appearing reasonable at first. It appears to be some sort of juvenile game. Fiddle   Faddle  23:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Sock puppet indeed, but of from Cambodia, see Sockpuppet investigations/Redbranch1984/Archive. Dougweller (talk) 14:14, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

User is clearly using a range of IPs. After having 111.90.189.206 blocked for editing on O'Connell (name) (see the SPI archive for this user), the user returned to make the same edit from two others: A range block of 111.90.188.* and 111.90.189.* would seem to be in order, if possible, and it looks like this whole user should be rolled into Redbranch1984, as suggested by Dougweller. Agricolae (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 111.90.189.130 &
 * 203.217.169.248.


 * User:Prograce is another another sock of Prestigiouzman/Redbranch1984/Waterman0201/etc. The history of Talk:Aryan shows that in mid-August User:Waterman0201 and a few obvious sock-IPs (User:203.81.67.114 and User:203.81.69.156) were harping on about an Aryan-Irish theory based on original research concerning etymologies. At the same time, the former IP added part of this theory to Talk:Indo-Aryan migration theories: . The theory/comment was further edited by Waterman0201:.


 * Fast forward to 29 September, the day after Prograce first appears on Wikipedia. He adds an observation of how about "facial characteristics which can be recognized as distinctly Irish": . After fiddling around with this comment, he proceeds to rework the above etymological argument of Waterman0201: . In fact, it's the same word-origin theory peddled by Prestigiouzman on his talkpage here.


 * Note that the article Indo-Aryan migration theories has nothing whatsoever to do with Ireland or Irish people, and no one else has mentioned Irish topics on the talkpage. Prograce's short edit history jumps between Irish clan/surname topics and ancient Aryan/Indian topics - the same strange mix as Prestigiouzman and his socks. In fact, Prograce has proceeded to overhaul Cox (surname), an article edited by Waterman0201 and User:111.90.189.42: . The latter is a sock of Redbranch1984: Sockpuppet investigations/Redbranch1984/Archive.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Prestigiouzman's last edits where to add a poem by Rabindranath Tagore to his user talkpage: . Barely an hour after Prograce's first edit, Prograce added a poem by the same man to his user page: .--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 21:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

He sounds like a bit of a character alright but whats all this got to do with me--Prograce (talk) 03:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, it really does look as though you are the same editor, which is why we need a CU. Dougweller (talk) 12:22, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And it looks as though the IP, Cambodia or not, and Prestigiouzman are definitely the same editor, with his bit about tanistry, Basques, etc is obviously Prestigiouzman. Tone, [this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_people&diff=prev&oldid=571882044] etc. Dougweller (talk) 12:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)


 * A comparison of overlapping some articles. Two usernames at a time, with overlaps.
 * Redbranch1984
 * Waterman0201
 * Chakra (Redbranch1984 - 2 edits) (Waterman0201 - 1 edits)
 * Talk:Aryan (Redbranch1984 - 8 edits) (Waterman0201 - 14 edits)


 * Waterman0201
 * Prestigiouzman
 * O'Connell (name) (Waterman0201 - 6 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 1 edits)
 * User talk:DMacks (Waterman0201 - 4 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 18 edits)


 * Waterman0201
 * Prograce
 * Talk:Indo-Aryan migration theories (Waterman0201 - 5 edits) (Prograce - 11 edits)
 * Cox (surname) (Waterman0201 - 2 edits) (Prograce - 3 edits)


 * 111.90.189.42
 * Redbranch1984
 * Aryan (111.90.189.42 - 3 edits) (Redbranch1984 - 2 edits)


 * 111.90.189.42
 * Waterman0201
 * Cox (surname) (111.90.189.42 - 2 edits) (edits by Waterman0201 - 2 edits)


 * 111.90.189.42
 * Prograce
 * Cox (surname) (111.90.189.42 - 2 edits) (edits by Prograce - 3 edits)


 * 111.90.189.130
 * Prestigiouzman
 * O'Connell (name) (111.90.189.130 - 2 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 1 edits)


 * 111.90.189.130
 * Waterman0201
 * O'Connell (name) (111.90.189.130 - 2 edits) (Waterman0201 - 6 edits)


 * 111.90.189.206
 * Waterman0201
 * O'Connell (name) (111.90.189.206 - 1 edits) (Waterman0201 - 6 edits)


 * 111.90.189.206
 * Prestigiouzman
 * O'Connell (name) (111.90.189.206 - 1 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 1 edits)
 * Talk:Tanistry (111.90.189.206 - 1 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 2 edits)
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland (111.90.189.206 - 1 edits) (Prestigiouzman - 2 edits)


 * So overlapping between Redbranch1984 and Waterman0201; Waterman0201 and Prestigiouzman; Waterman0201 and Prograce. Overlapping between 111.90.189.42 and users Redbranch1984, Waterman0201, and Prograce. Overlapping between 111.90.189.130 and users Waterman0201 and Prestigiouzman. Overlapping between 111.90.189.206 and users Waterman0201 and Prestigiouzman.


 * The chronology is this: Redbranch1984 appears in July, pushing the Irish-Aryan original research, before being blocked soon after. Waterman0201 appears in August literally carrying on where Redbranch1984 left off, before being blocked for socking. Prestigiouzman appears afterwards in August, sticking mostly to Irish topics in main-space, but revealing the exact same Irish-Aryan theory in talkpages, before his original research gets him into hot water and blocked in September. Two days after this block Prograce appears, diving straight into the same Irish-Aryan theory that Redbranch1984, Waterman0201, and Prestigiouzman were into.


 * A couple of other things to note. The history of Tuatha Dé Danann shows Prestigiouzman edit warring there, inserting original research unsupported by the sources he gave. Prograce has created Manacháin, a stub about a man recorded in the Annals of the Four Masters. This much is ok (the relevant passage concerning 'Mannachan' is M866.9), the problem is that Prograce has tacked on "and is said to be descended from Manannán mac Lir a figurehead of the Tuatha Dé Danann" which is unsupported original research. This links Prograce to Prestigiouzman again, since both are interested in the Tuatha Dé Danann, and both pull the same stunts with refs. Prograce's latest stub is Torman. He claims the word is a "Gaelic term denoting a one of five types of sages within the Irish Fili system" and gives a ref to a dictionary. The word means "sage" or "wild sage", as the plant, not a 'wise man' (see User_talk:Brianann_MacAmhlaidh). So a commonality between the above users is their recklessness with word meanings, and the fact that they insert their own flawed research into articles. Prestigiouzman created a few now-deleted articles. Did they start out like Prograce's Torman article - simple dodgy Irish to English definitions and such?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This one deserves a check for sleepers, too. There;s so much duck here I am hoping for orange sauce.  Fiddle   Faddle  21:56, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I think ye need te take a break from Murder she wrote Brian, and the word Torman as i use it refers to the term Whirlwind,not the plant--Prograce (talk) 03:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, and athair liath (which you spell athairliath is not type of herb I guess. Obvious hoax is obvious. Deleted. Dougweller (talk) 11:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

So tell me, can you call a Rishi a 'Sage' and refer to a plant with the same word, yes or no,,and id rather spoon feed yis into coherence than exclude women for the sake of convenience--Prograce (talk) 12:06, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

('a man profound wisdom'/etc). GaelicArsan

More than a century ago, Monier-Williams tentatively suggested a derivation from drś "to see". Monier-Wiliams also quotes the Hibernian (Irish) form arsan (a sage, a man old in wisdom) and arrach (old, ancient, aged) as related to Rishi. In Sanskrit, forms of the root rish become arsh- in many words, (e.g., arsh. Monier-Williams also conjectures that the root drish (to see) might have given rise to an obsolete root rish meaning "to see.

Now as you can see if i wanted to Generally refer to a sage i would use the word 'Arsan', but the terms i am using are more specific but no less acceptable--Prograce (talk) 12:23, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Needs a sleepercheck as a new one has arrived,. Dougweller (talk) 13:51, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Without a doubt ✅. . -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  18:07, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Prograce tagged and blocked indef, master was already blocked. No action taken on IP. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)