Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Proudbolsahye/Archive

03 January 2013

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Please see the edits of both. E4024 (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also please see examples of "source falsification" by the same user I put forward at the TP of the article Anti-Armenianism. --E4024 (talk) 15:22, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Checkusers don't generally link named users and IPs. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 17:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This may be the same person, though I see no clear evidence that it is. However, even if it is, no evidence at all has been presented to suggest that the account and IP address have been used abusively. Editing both from an IP address and from an account is not sockpuppetry unless it is done abusively. The allegation of "source falsification", even if justified, is likewise irrelevant unless it can be shown that somehow using both an account and an IP address contributed to the "falsification". (Incidentally, I have also explained, on the articel talk page, that there does not seem to be any falsification.) JamesBWatson (talk) 17:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

10 January 2013

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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Same areas of interest; same POV edits; an almost declared anti- "certain nation" (I don't mention the name to avoid personalization) feeling. They generally distribute the articles among themselves not to coincide much; however their biassed POV and similar way of expressing themselves in TPs, stubborn character, arrogant, haughty attitude, supported by common practice of copyrigh violation in pic and texts, distortion of facts, sometimes abusing the sources, especially those they translate to English and other acts and attitudes make me suspect these two accounts are being managed by one real person. E4024 (talk) 23:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I also want to note here that User:Proudbolsahye has redirected its Talk Page; for which reason I could not use the Twinkle to request the SPI through that username, as the master sockpuppeteer. I believe they have also used several IPs but that is another issue. Thanks for the time of the concerned admins. --E4024 (talk) 00:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

@Admin Brown: Mister Brown, I am asking this to understand things better, and hoping not to look stupid for my ignorance: The short time span between some edits ("less ducky" issue) could, hypothetically, mean, for example, that a user might have two computers with different IPs and use them simultaneously to edit under two different user names? --E4024 (talk) 13:10, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It could mean they just have two different browsers open, ie: Chrome and Firefox. It could also mean they are two different people.  Edit times that fast are generally not conclusive by themselves.  When you see a lot of similar time gaps between edits, that looks odd, ie: 1 hour, When Master makes 4 edits, then the Sock edits 3 of those same articles an hour later, particularly if it is a talk page vote.  This case might be meatpuppetry, but there is some coordination likely at work, or sockpuppetry.  The CU has refused to consider running a checkuser check without specific diffs showing they are the same person, ie: similar edits, backing each other up in talk, or tag-teaming with reverts.  It is up to you to provide them. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 00:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * One of these users opened a page called user:Yerevanci/Bolsahye, I suppose for making tests or drafts on improving a WP article they are working on, called Armenians in Istanbul, on 9 January. The two users (or user names) work together there. Although I asked this SPI on 10 January, I had informed user:Proudbolsahye before that date (on 8 Jan.) that I was going to ask for an SPI about them. As I understand "Bolsahye" means someone from Istanbul in Armenian I tend to believe they are making fun of this SPI by using that name in the said project they carry out together. If I had any responsibility on SPIs or upholding the name of WP here, I would be thinking about a sanction on this not very serious and not very respectful attitude. --E4024 (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad you pointed to that sandbox, that clears it up. To be honest, that sandbox is more indicative of two editors working together, not of sockpuppetry.  If they do so in an abusive way (to stack votes, cover each other's reverts in an edit war, etc.) then it would be meatpuppetry.  As for making fun of the SPI, that really doesn't concern me.  We don't expect people to be serious, just civil, and to more or less be working towards building an encyclopedia and not causing problems while doing it. This isn't a job, after all, it is supposed to be fun.  We can't sanction someone for not taking an SPI or Wikipedia "seriously".  I know it might be frustrating to you, but everyone contributes in their own way.  We should also be very careful to not read too much into people's intentions, else we run afoul of WP:BIAS.  Not everyone sees the same thing the same way.  I'm going to close for a lack of evidence showing abuse. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 01:40, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * - The bottom half of their intersects makes it clear there is at least coordination going on, but the time differences on some of these edits is so small, it makes it less ducky than it might seem at first glance.  There is NO question there is cooperation, but there is some question if they are the same.   Only CU can shed light on which it is. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 02:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * . Zero diffs provided. See Template:DiffsNeeded for information about what's required. The editor overlap is evidence, but it's far from sufficient on its own for a check. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 04:16, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You are completely right. Closing without action.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 01:41, 13 January 2013 (UTC)