Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rave92/Archive

Report date January 29 2009, 07:45 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by Nikola (talk) 07:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It appears that the user resorted to anonymous editing to work around 3RR on Oj, svijetla majska zoro. See also. Nikola (talk) 07:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

missed by bot Mayalld (talk) 15:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * This can be checked by checkuser because of the 3RR vio.


 * looking at the old case, which also mentions an IP from this exact same range. However the cu said it was inconclusive then. Who knows now. ——  nix eagle email me 15:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Mayalld (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

As the IP has not been active within the last few weeks, and CheckUser evidence is not very strong I am going to leave the IP unblocked. Should the IP continue to edit war / disrupt it can be dealt with that way by going to WP:AN/I or WP:AN3 respectively. Tiptoety talk 20:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * based on geography alone, but mostly because that IP does not geolocate very well (I'm not even sure if it's even in Montenegro ,where the ISP seems to be registered, or Bosnia, where the company also operates). Dominic·t 17:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Evidence submitted by Toddst1
Rave92 is a Balkan edit warrior who has been blocked numerous times and placed on 1RR for Balkan related articles. There have been a spate of ip editors making identical edits to Rave92 to the following articles:
 * Kolašin‎
 * Žabljak‎
 * Tivat‎
 * Šavnik‎
 * Rožaje‎
 * Plav‎
 * Cetinje‎
 * Mojkovac‎
 * Budva‎
 * Bijelo Polje‎
 * Andrijevica‎
 * Podgorica‎
 * Berane‎
 * Morača‎
 * Nikšić‎
 * Danilovgrad
 * Plužine

According to, one of these IP's has been confirmed as an IP sock by checkuser. Details at User_talk:Prodego.

After Prodego blocked some of the IPs as socks, I semi-protected the target articles, SS.Nolimit (a suspected auto-confirmed sleeper sock) fired up and made the same edit. Looking further, it appears SS.Nolimit has been used to make edits similar to Rave92 when Rave92 had run into problems before. I've blocked SS.Nolimit as a sock of Rave92. While Nolimit fails the duck test in a pretty straightforward manner., s/he is now denying the sockpuppetry and requesting unblocking.

Sideshow Bob has also made extremely similar edits recently.

I would like a CU to confirm it is OK to unblock or to confirm my block of SS.Nolimit. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comment from SS.Nolimit -- Transcribed from User talk:SS.Nolimit by Toddst1. First of I'll just tell you I'm not Rave92, but I guess that's not enough. Second you'll check my ip address which is quite different then other ones listed there. Now you must first see what is being edited on those pages, if it was something complicated it would have been suspicions but we are editing language from Serbian to Montenegrin, and it's not just us, the other side does it all the time and there's no ending to it. And language on those pages isn't something complicated that you need extended knowledge about, many Montenegrins would be annoyed with seeing it there and hence the numerous edit. I've seen both Sideshow bob and Rave92 around on wikipedia and I'm sure them 2 aren't same users, but then again I still have to prove I'm not their alter ego or something heh. I just happened to be reading wikipedia articles(like I do almost every day) when I come across articles, and if I recall it was agreed(some time ago with user that was editing language back) that we would keep at least Montenegrin/Serbian and I just edited back. I won't go in problem about language here because that's not the point of this anyway but I'll gladly elaborate why I edited. Also it was mentioned I might be sleeper account or however it's called(I'm not very knowledgeable about some in-depth wiki stuff) which is kinda true, I got tired from editing and fighting edit wars few times in past and been just occasionally coming back to do some small edits but I see not much changed... Don't know what else to say really, ask me anything you want and I'll answer asap.

Comment from Rave92 -- Transcribed from User talk:Rave92 by Toddst1. Let me explaine again, I was blocked because I was suspected that I am using mutliple accounts. I wanted evidence about that. I never did that, and I just check Wiki with this account without edit. Because someone doesn't give to remove Montenegrin language, I am being blocked like I am controlling those accounts. I mean you even blocked Sideshow whose I think we even were in some kind of conflict long time ago, and now he is accused that he is my sockpuppet. How silly is that? I am not going to agree that I won't do it again because I didn't do it. If someone continues with edits, you would still acuse me for things I didn't do it. Some Serb accused me, and his word is golden on wiki, and you blocked all Montenegrins. I think you should unblock those accounts because they have nothing to do with me and I didn't edit wikipedia for month, I just added 2 more religions on Montenegrin article.
 * Sideshow Bob is not blocked. Toddst1 (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The only connection that I see between myself and the blocked users mentioned above is the fact that we made similar edits regarding the Montenegrin/Serbian language dispute in certain articles, and I have presented pretty rational arguments for my edits, but since I did not come across the slightest will for compromise, I have given up on further editing, since the dispute was obviously on a way to escalate into an edit war. If you conduct the IP address comparison, it will surely show that there is no connection between myself and those users, so my conscience is clear. Cheers. Sideshow Bob 22:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And I've been unblocked, hooray! Now I'll say it again just in case, I'm not anyone's puppet and I was reading something about city in MNE when I saw serbian, then I checked history and saw what was going on there, and I just went on little spree of editing/reverting back to Montenegrin. I'll try to refrain from doing things that look suspicious like this but I would still like to know if we should be putting "Montenegrin", "Serbian" or "Montenegrin / Serbian" -language in those articles because this will just go on. SS.Nolimit (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank God for normal Admins on Wiki that can see that we are not the same person and some sockpuppets. I sugesst adding "Cyrilic" like on some articles. I want opinion of Admins on this quesion because some will cause edit war again. Rave92 (talk) 11:12, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
I was reverting those edits, all 4 IP editors were reverting those edit (18 of them, or less) in a few minutes, so it is only possible to do that from the list. Watchlist or other, dont know. And in the moment when Toddst1 semi protected articles, User:SS.Nolimit revert them again, in same order as previews IP adress. User:Sideshow Bob talk to me yesterday with same argument as Rave92 and IP adresses: "Montenegrin language is official" (User_talk:Tadija). User:Sideshow Bob may be sock, but i think that he is not, but User:SS.Nolimit is or sock, or have very bad timing. :) --Tadija (talk) 18:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

CheckUser requests
Requested by Toddst1 (talk) 22:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Conclusions

 * . I had the time for a quick check while taking a look at unblocks on hold; but this appears to be a case of parallel interests.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Closing per CU findings. –MuZemike 19:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)