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08 August 2014

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It is two newly-made accounts, doing the same edit and  respectively. It is no coincidence that the timeframe between edits from the sock and sockmaster  is so small after the 3RR warning (that I gave the user on his sockmaster account). The user is displaying rather evasive and disruptive behavior, similar in both accounts of just reverting rather than respond. -- Cold Season (talk) 07:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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. I agree the timing of the new account and the two reverts are very suspicious, but because there are so few edits from the new account, it's hard to block based on duck (although I was tempted). Also, the arguments about the content dispute by the master are dubious at best (using a picture of an object and labeling it a person), and it's hard to imagine that a new editor would share those ideas. I may be blocking the master in the interim based on the report at WP:AN3.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ match. Courcelles 15:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Puppet tagged. Block of master increased from 31 hours (for edit-warring and personal attacks) to one month.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

16 August 2014

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The user received a one-month ban about a week ago for sock puppetry (and excessive swearing), but it seems that the blocks just lead to the user making new accounts. This new account is making the same edit as the old accounts (see string of diffs in archive). The user had previously also shown a strong dislike for later depictions of historical people (meaning modern depictions specifically—as the user stated "a depiction of him was made up by a person in the people's republic of china"—since technically the user is also editing with non-contemporary historical depictions)... This habit is also present in this new account. -- Cold Season (talk) 23:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


 * @Bbb23: The sock master account stated that "Well you do realize that there were no portraits of zhang heng when he was alive, a depiction of him was made up by a person in the people's republic of china", which was the user's argument for opposing a later depiction of a historical person (thus replacing it with an image of an object in the Han Chinese article instead). The other account changed an image of a statue in the Yue Fei article, and that statue was a much-later depiction of the historical person.
 * In regards to the "one more edit," the sock master account did do a similar edit of editing the header, changing the mention of a Republican period for some other wording. I'm aware of the user Kauffner, but I hadn't followed that situation that much to place a connection... --Cold Season (talk) 18:12, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I want to add that the new account Fonovo did few further distinct edits, which is very similar as the edits by the sock master: respectively at the Song dynasty article and  at the Forbidden City article. --Cold Season. (talk) 15:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


 * It has been confirmed that the account User:Fonovo was a sock (the account got CU blocked) of the user Reddragonawakens, who was avoiding his/her temp block with another account. The user got caught when he/she made an additional account, User:Conowater. --Cold Season (talk) 15:32, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

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, I get the first part of your evidence. It's the identical edit. I don't get the second part. The puppet changed the image in the article. The master talked about the earthquake detector replica on a talk page. Can you please explain a bit more the tie-in between the two? How is the puppet's image related to the replica? Isn't the image "real" as opposed to some sort of proxy?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Since I asked Cold Season for more information (he hasn't edited Wikipedia since filing this report), Fonovo made one more edit changing a section header from "Republic of China rule" to "Kuomintang rule". Now I know nothing about the subject matter but in looking at the master's edits, he did change headers from one kind of rule to another, but I never saw him reference Kumintang in his edits, for what that's worth. OTOH, I did notice User:Kauffner, a prolific sock master, refer to Kuomintang in this edit over two years ago. Of course, it may be that Kuomintang relates only to Taiwan, not to China, and that's the explanation. If someone can enlighten me on that issue, that'd be good.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * relieved me of any more work on this report, which is great. I tagged the master.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)