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Ralf302 made their first edit today at Talk:List of largest empires, a page that Roqui15 has also edited heavily. In this edit, Ralf302 made the same arguments as Roqui15 had previously made (including using the term "uti possidetis, ita possideatis"), provided some of the same external links as Roqui15 had previously used, and made the same spelling errors that Roqui15 had previously made (consistent use of "wich", "fallow"/"fallowing" ). Roqui15 had previously suggested that they could start socking and been warned for doing so, see User talk:Roqui15. TompaDompa (talk) 15:58, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

has signed edits with "Ralf302". This pretty clearly demonstrates that these two (the IP and Ralf302) are the same person, though it could of course be a simple case of forgetting to log in. I suppose it's also theoretically possible that it's a case of impersonation, but that doesn't seem particularly likely. TompaDompa (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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 * Filer's observations are spot-on regarding the behavioral and linguistic similarities. I waffled a fair amount here on whether to block or send for CU, but I'm going to go ahead and block on behavioral evidence here. Most likely explanation for the IP is logged-out editing; since the IP is a few days stale I'm not going to block it, and the parent IPv6 range is huge so a preemptive block would have a ton of collateral damage. If any IPs pop up making similar arguments, we can block them as needed. I've given the master two weeks off for sockpuppetry and indeffed the sock. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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Two WP:SPA who have mostly or solely edited the relevant talk page making similar complaints about the same empire and its inclusion/non-inclusion/inclusion of later country... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:19, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * to previous, to each other. --  Amanda  (aka DQ) 05:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , closing. Cabayi (talk) 11:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

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Discussion on User talk:Roqui15, in which Roqui15 admits on 15 July 2020 that he is the same user as RoquePedro; see. Also, NinjaRobotPirate appears to have ✅ this sockpuppetry on 15 July, when declining an unblock request on User talk:Roqui15; see. NinjaRobotPirate appears to have run a second CU request, subsequent to the one performed on 3 July by AmandaNP, and this would appear to supersede AmandaNP's stated opinion on 3 July that blocks of Roqui15 are not CU-blocks; see. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 17:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Asking User:NinjaRobotPirate to clarify here at SPI, for the record, that you did (or did not) confirm Roqui15 to be the same user as RoquePedro, via CU, and that indef-blocks of these two users should therefore be considered CU-blocks. —  Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 17:49, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This strikes me as a bit unnecessary. Yes, RoquePedro is confirmed to Roqui15, as I said on his talk page.  It strikes me as oddly bureaucratic to say this, but, yes, I did use the CU tool to confirm these two accounts.  Although RoquePedro is CU-blocked, Roqui15 is not.  So, technically, WP:CUBL would seem to indicate that anyone could unblock Roqui15 despite having a CU-blocked sock.  This is not exactly an uncommon circumstance, though.  Maybe the CU is too lazy to reblock the sockmaster, maybe the CU doesn't like bureaucracy, or maybe the CU doesn't feel it's necessary to force a CU review of the sockmaster's block.  In this case, it's a mix of all three.  If that settles everything, this can be archived.  I personally don't see why this needs any further CU attention. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:36, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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WP:DUCK. Raising the exact same issues repeatedly and the exact same points at Talk:List of largest empires, and with the exact same style of writing. IP geolocates to near Lisbon, and whilst the sockmaster hasn't given an exact location, they do mention being (unsurprisingly) Portuguese on their talk page. Only not requesting CU because it's an IP user. Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 16:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * Obvious block evasion. Blocked IP 1 month. Closing. Cabayi (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The IP posted to the talk page of whose track record seems very similar to that of Roqui15. Just noting for the record. Cabayi (talk) 19:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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Started editing two days ago. Three edits so far: Two about David Melgueiro's supposed voyage through the Northeast Passage (arguing that it could have happened on the talk page and adding it to the article, respectively), something Roqui15 has also added to that article. And of course one about the Portuguese Empire's territorial extent over at Talk:List of largest empires, which was Roqui15's main focus (see previous SPI cases). It looks like a WP:DUCK to me. TompaDompa (talk) 17:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)


 * For the record, the user admitted to WP:SOCKPUPPETRY and WP:MEATPUPPETRY . TompaDompa (talk) 14:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't have nothing else to do. You're literally just ignoring the conversation in the list of largest empires page. Tell me, why you keep doing this? What do you have against Portugal and it's history?BestaMontalegre (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' and how about talking on the talk page instead of coming here to complain? I know you want to be an administrator at all costs, but this is not the way to do it. Who cares if I am Roqui15 or a friend of Roqui15, what is happening on the list of largest empires page is much more serious, you act like the page iss yours, you ignore any source other than Taagepera (I think you have a fetish for that man) and so you are actually the person who should be blocked, or at least you shouldn't be allowed to make any edits on the page in question. You use the administration of wikipedia for personal purposes which is owning the list of largest empires wiki page. BestaMontalegre (talk) 18:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * - Same topic, same prolix style, same persecution complex wrt TompaDompa. Please confirm & check for sleepers. Cabayi (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC) Cabayi (talk) 12:55, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Considering they admitted (see above) and keep editing, how about blocking this account now without waiting for the CU (which can of course still be used to check for sleepers)? TompaDompa (talk) 07:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The issue here is not me having 2 accounts. I'm doing this because you made me do it. You are clearly violating an wikipedia rule, any administrator that will take a good look at the talk page of the list of largest empires including the archives (you like to archive conversations to hide the evidence that suggest that you're violating the "you don't own wikipedia" rule) will block you too. BestaMontalegre (talk) 09:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok I can confirm that BestaMontalegre is a sock of Roqui15, as is the already blocked RoquePedro. I've blocked BestaMontalegre, can someone please tag? Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 13:58, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nothing more to do. Closing. Cabayi (talk) 14:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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This IP has edited Talk:List of largest empires (diff) which was Roqui15's main focus (see previous SPI cases) and Panthera leo melanochaita (diff), which was previously edited by the confirmed sock Roque Pedro (diff). WP:WHOIS gives the exact same address as the previously blocked IP 109.48.210.93 (see here and here, respectively). In conclusion, obvious WP:DUCK. TompaDompa (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Once again TompaDompa, you are the one and the only who made me do this. I never used multiple accounts before. When you finnaly realize that you don't own the page of List of largest empires, I will of course stop 109.48.247.82 (talk) 22:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Nobody is making you do anything. I gave you advice as to what to do specifically so that would not get indefinitely blocked back in June, twice . The responsibility for the escalation to this point rests solely on you. TompaDompa (talk) 23:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes you are. First I was accused by you and then blocked because supposedly had several accounts (that weren't Roqui15), Ralf302 and 3 others. None of these were mine. I did all my best to proof that they were not mine, unfourtanley no admin unblocked me. And due to this I was forced to use my old RoquePedro account (but without even joining the discussion). Then someone and somehow discovered that this account was mine and therefore I was forced to create the account BestaMontalegre. All this mess is because of me being initial falsely accused of having multiple accounts and trying to correct the error on the page list of largest empires plus trying to win the argument against you (the one who owns the page). 109.48.247.82 (talk) 23:41, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You forgot to add that I'm not doing this to disturb or harm wikipedia in any way. I'm actually doing all I can and giving hours of my time to help that particular page. 109.48.247.82 (talk) 23:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC) ( moved from admin section, was in reply to RoySmith)

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 * I'm tempted to block 109.48.192.0/18 for a couple of months, but I think the collateral damage would be too much to justify that. Pinging  who has been here before, for a second opinion.  On the other hand, List of largest empires is already indef semi-protected, so while it may be annoying to the talk page readers, it's not actually doing any harm to mainspace. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:10, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to rangeblock, but I am going to block this editor. IP editor/, nobody has "made" you do anything, and you have been clearly told what the rules are, were temporarily blocked for off-wiki coordination with other editors, ignored what everybody told you, and then socked again after being told the rules and were indefinitely blocked. You then continued to not listen and got your talk page access removed. My recommendation: stay away from Wikipedia for six months, then file a WP:UTRS appeal from your Roqui15 account to have your talk page access reinstated so that you can appeal your ban. Every time you evade your block, you make it less likely that you will ever be allowed back, and we can and will start enforcing this block more aggressively if needed. Current IP blocked for a week, closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 23:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

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Editing Talk:List of largest empires, as usual. Previous WP:SOCK IPs include 109.48.210.93 and 109.48.247.82, see archive. Clear case of a WP:DUCK. TompaDompa (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * Sigh. I've issued an IP range partial block to  109.48.192.0/18.  Hopefully that will solve the problem without collateral damage. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Tendentious, disruptive editing on Talk:List of largest empires. More WP:OR. -- Deep fried okra ( talk ) 16:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * I don't think they are the same person. There are a number of reasons for this relating to the editing style and patterns, but the main one is that the two accounts have interacted on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia in a way that doesn't make sense if they're the same person – the only reason I can think of would be to throw any sockpuppet investigations off their tracks, but I don't think they're crafty enough to do so (and it would also be unlikely to be noticed and have the intended effect – the only reason I noticed it was that Roqui15 left me some messages on my user talk page on the Portuguese-language Wikipedia). TompaDompa (talk) 16:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I have unarchived and reopened this to add some information that emerged shortly after it was archived. said this on their user talk page: I joined the discussion at the request of a friend asking for help to resolve the situation (diff). So I think that settles it – they're a WP:MEATPUPPET (though it's unclear whose, as there is more than one person it could have been). TompaDompa (talk) 05:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * based on geolocation. I don't think that's really enough to go on, though, given the previous accusations of meat puppetry.  Hopefully, this will get cleared up during the unblock process, so it seems alright to close this for now. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 03:29, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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I see similarities in the way they make comments (i.e. 1 and 2 compared against 3). Also they are editing in the same topic area / pages that this sockmaster has before. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 19:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

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this doesn't have the red flags for Mark Boron, but instead this account seems to be more likely related to this case. There is non-stale confirmed socks in the archive to check against. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 19:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * . . NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

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Back to editing Talk:List of largest empires from the same IP range (109.48.192.0/18) as before (see SPI archives). Related edit at Talk:Spanish Empire:. Also overlap with other of Roqui15's interests such as megafauna. 109.48.219.173 started editing in October 2022; Roqui15 was indef blocked by in August 2022. Roqui15 also had a WP:Topic ban from Talk:List of largest empires and List of largest empires. issued an IP range partial block back in September 2020 (broadened to include additional pages by in October 2020), which might be appropriate again. I'm fairly certain is a different person in the same IP range, so a complete IP range block would (if I am correct) cause some collateral damage. TompaDompa (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The same story yet again. My god my dear TompaDompa, how long we are doing this 4 years? When are you going to understand that it's not these ′′administrators ′′ who are going to stop me from spreading the truth? I know that you have a big hate against the Portuguese empire, I understand the envy since you are German, which in fact has no relevant history.109.48.219.173 (talk) 21:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Yup, that's pretty clear-cut. Siteblocked .173 6 months, .191 1 week. Re-pblocked /18 3 years. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 22:02, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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On 25 June, admitted sock said When are you going to understand that it's not these ′′administrators ′′ who are going to stop me from spreading the truth? On 29 June, 93.108.234.132 (which geolocates to the same city: ) made a long post to Talk:List of largest empires which unmistakably advances the same narrative as Roqui15 and their previous socks have shared. The post looks to have been written with ChatGPT (or similar), which previous sock mentioned using here. TompaDompa (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * Lisbon's a big city, but if it's not sockpuppetry it's still meatpuppetry or proxying of some sort. Blocked 1 week. Closing. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 05:08, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

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Zippybonzo &#124; Talk (he&#124;him) 16:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

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Again fairly obvious use of ChatGPT or similar, as with Sockpuppet investigations/Roqui15/Archive. See at Talk:List of largest empires and  at WP:ANI. Also geolocates to the same city as those IPs:. TompaDompa (talk) 17:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * IP is now blocked. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 11:53, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

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89.154.250.73: Same story at Talk:List of largest empires and WP:ANI  as before. 87.196.72.116: Carrying on a conversation started by the first IP at Talk:List of largest empires. TompaDompa (talk) 12:29, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.72.116 (talk) 14:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.72.116 (talk) 15:11, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments moved to this section from the one above. TompaDompa (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.72.116 (talk) 15:16, 21 July 2023 (UTC)


 * — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.72.116 (talk) 15:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * Obvious sock IPs blocked 2 weeks. Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Same story at Talk:List of largest empires as before, see previous reports from June and July of this year in the archive. TompaDompa (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Blocked 1 week. Willing to knock that down a bit if they agree to read up on meter. Closing. -- Tamzin  &#91;cetacean needed&#93; (she&#124;they&#124;xe) 03:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

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Same story as before at Talk:List of largest empires. 87.196.74.173 has already been blocked as a sock by and is listed only for the record. Perhaps a partial rangeblock might be in order? TompaDompa (talk) 21:13, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

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I've blocked the /24 range for a week. I noted the IP just added today was blocked in the past as a P2P VPN IP as well. If I screwed the range block up, please let me know. RickinBaltimore (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Rangeblock looks good to me. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

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Same story as before at Talk:List of largest empires. TompaDompa (talk) 07:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Proxy. Blocked for a year. Courcelles (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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Same story as before at Talk:List of largest empires. TompaDompa (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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 * Courcelles (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

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Same story at Talk:List of largest empires as before, see previous reports from June, July, and August of this year in the archive. Also Talk:Spanish Empire. TompaDompa (talk) 23:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The block for 87.196.74.126 mentioned below has expired, and they are now editing as 87.196.80.123 at Talk:Spanish Empire. Re-opening and adding the latter IP to the report. TompaDompa (talk) 22:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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 * Already blocked. Closing. MarioGom (talk) 11:00, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * please do not re-open closed SPI cases. File a new report instead.  I've hard blocked the IP range from editing these articles, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)