Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Saff V./Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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On 19 February 2020 - is topic-banned from editing the People's Mujahedin of Iran page (where they had been very involved).

On 11 September 2020 -  becomes active, and then starts getting very involved in People's Mujahedin of Iran with the same POV emphasis and editing patterns as Saff V:


 * Same use of the word “summery” (“summary”?):


 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch


 * Same use of the term “picking up” (“removing”?)
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch


 * Same POV emphasis on sexual abuse and human rights violations at People's Mujahedin of Iran:
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch creating a whole article that focuses on that:


 * Same POV emphasis to signalize the People's Mujahedin of Iran as a cult:
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch


 * Same POV emphasis to say People's Mujahedin of Iran had links to Israel:
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch


 * Same POV emphasis on ideological revolution at People's Mujahedin of Iran:
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch


 * Attempts to add that the People's Mujahedin of Iran is Islamic-Marxist:
 * 1) Saff V.
 * 2) Ghazaalch Barca (talk) 13:33, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

It was Ghazaalch's use of the phrase "picking up" (to say "removing") that confirmed for me these are both the same user since this phrase is not used by any other editor to say "removing", and it's something that Saff V. used to say all the time at People's Mujahedin of Iran:  Barca (talk) 23:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Another courtesy ping to (in case they want to respond but missed the first ping). Barca (talk) 11:51, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * The behavioral evidence is reasonably convincing to me. Nonetheless, I would recommend a CU. The topic is rife with battleground editing, and it's not uncommon for users (many of whom do not speak English as a native language) to mimic each other's behavior. Also, if this is sockpuppetry, a check for sleepers is likely justified. I would recommend an indef for Ghazaalch in any case. Sanctions on Saff V. should probably depend on the results of a CU. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * No criticism of you intended! It was a reasonable conclusion. Just look at the number of SPIs stemming from the singular conflict about the MEK, though; and at Talk:People's Mujahedin of Iran, where users are constantly parroting each other's arguments. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:22, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That's fair; I hadn't realized Saff V. had been inactive that long. Still potentially useful; a lot of people have stayed put in their homes these days, after all. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Clearly the same person based on the filing and follow-ups. – this is deliberate evasion of a sanction, so indefinite blocks for both are warranted. Courtesy ping to  who imposed the TBAN.  Blablubbs&#124;talk 12:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I weighed it for quite some time and eventually decided against it, but it's a convincing argument. Hence striking the above and – please compare the two and look for sleepers.  Blablubbs&#124;talk 16:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * (If data is still available that is – if there's nothing fresh, there should be log data for Saff from older cases cases as well. --Blablubbs&#124;talk 17:19, 25 April 2021 (UTC))
 * Didn't take it as such (and even if it was, I'm always happy about feedback). :) To elaborate, my thinking was that MEK-related articles are indeed socking galore, but that if there's no login data, then all we have is some rather old logs because the master has been inactive since 14 January, plus if they are in Iran (they certainly seem to be in that corner of the world, note as well the office-ish hours), CU might not be super effective – so I eventually ended up at "ducky enough to not really need flagging", but thinking it over again, there's no harm in looking. Best, --Blablubbs&#124;talk 17:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * . The CU logs from show me that they're in the same geolocation and very wide range. That's all I can really say...  ~Oshwah~  (talk)  (contribs)   21:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Behaviour it is in that case; – please upgrade the master's block to sitewide and block the sock indefinitely. Thanks and best,  Blablubbs&#124;talk 22:03, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , closing. Mz7 (talk) 22:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * In light of further consideration, I have decided that this block was erroneous. Please see . Mz7 (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)