Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Samofi/Archive

16 June 2010

 * Suspected sockpuppets

editing pattern and account creation timing seem to be about right for a checkuser to see if this is a sleeper account. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by Hell In A Bucket (talk)

I would like to say that this is my first account. After my first edit I was 2 times investigated - I only wanted to correct mistake and not to make problems. I have reacted just in the talk page - after it I have changed the article. I have used only my personal computer at home, I have used wifi router, I have the Slovak IP starting 85. Only one user has marked me as the sock puppet of Samofi ("bad faith") but after my action because I put him to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents Its my pleasure to continue and help with the investigation. --CsabaBabba (talk) 17:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Very ; behavioral evidence will verify. Geographic and other technical evidence are very strong. --jpgordon:==( o ) 18:39, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Behavioral evidence is convincing. Blocked and tagged. T. Canens (talk) 18:43, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

02 November 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

User:Samofi had been banned from editing all topics relating to Hungarian-Slovak ethnic disputes under WP:Digwuren and then was blocked from editing the entire Wikipedia indefinitely. Even while blocked, the user requested for admin help in which he called my recent edits "It looks like a spamming and nationalistic agenda" 06:19, 16 September 2012


 * Shortly afterwards User:Irji2012 was created : 04:43, 25 September 2012. Then this new user followed me to several articles.


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In addition, this "new user" followed me to even WP:AE concerning a filling I was inolved in:
 * Also, Samofi made an appeal against his block to which the Arbtration Comitee answered on 08:46, 18 October 2012.
 * "The Arbitration Committee has carefully considered the user's appeal and has declined to unblock at this time. After six months of not editing Wikipedia under any account including IP accounts the user may again apply to have the block reviewed"

-- Nmate (talk) 16:22, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * Whoever closes this report may be interested to know that the editor has included a quote from the Slovak national anthem on his talk page. See Nad Tatrou sa blýska, an article in the English Wikipedia. Note that Samofi, the alleged sockmaster, has made 29 edits at Matthias Bel, one of the articles where User:Irji2012 has engaged in edit warring. Matthias Bel was a famous 18th-century scholar who seems to have ties to both Hungarian and Slovak traditions. Irji2012 wants to declare that Matthias Bel was a Slovak. Samofi's last edit there from April 2011 seems intended to show that (a) being 'Hungarus' was not necessarily Hungarian, (b) the town where Matthias Bel was born is within the borders of modern Slovakia. Samofi had been banned under WP:ARBEE from Hungarian-Slovak ethnic disputes. The behavior of Irji2012 certainly fits with Samofi's interest in promoting the Slovak national cause. EdJohnston (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

An editor signalled on my personal discussion page the existence of this trial. I don't know the usual procedure in such cases. But I can assure the administrators and moderators that there is aboslutely no connexion between me and User Samofi. I am not Samofi's puppet.

I am sad to see that User Nmate finds me culpable for commenting on the WP:AE thread. I arrived there by examining User Omen 1229's contributions, not by following Nmate. Furthermore, I even supported Nmate there and declared that in my view Nmate should not be punished as others proposed.

I did not follow Nmate in articles about Slovak villages (the ten links above). I edited several articles about villages in this area and I encountered Nmate by chance. If it is anything wrong at my edits, please point that to me. I say that I was 100% correct in what I did.

I edited many other articles about different villages, where Nmate had no activity! E.g.: Lozorno, Ľutov, Nová Vieska etc

Matej Bel is one of the most famous Slovak scientists. He gives the name of the Matej Bel University where I studied before emigrating to Czech Republic Irji2012 (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Actually I have to say that the edit patterns of Irji2012 don't seem to match that of Samofi at all. EdJohnston you're right in that Irji2012 seems to have taken a keen interest in the Matthias Bel article, but that's where the similarities end I'm afraid. Other than that article this user seems to concentrate almost exclusively on articles about settlements within Slovakia. It almost looks as if his editing pattern would match that of User:Omen1229's latest edits: the keen interest in Slovak place names, the arguing about Matthias Bel (Omen1229 partook in it as well). I know that this doesn't make much sense (I mean why would a user who's free to edit Wikipedia with his own account create a sock), but he shows the biggest resemblance to Irji2012's edit patterns. Or maybe it's just some good ol' good hand, bad hand tactics. Another notable user with such "special" interest in Slovak place names is User:Bizovne, but he seemed to have much less such edits (concentrated on historical persons instead) and recently he's much more into trying to make my life miserable with bogus ANI requests and swearing at me every chance he gets (especially in Slovak). So my conclusion: he might be either Omen1229 or some new (Slovak?) user. But definitely not Samofi. -- CoolKoon (talk) 22:17, 2 November 2012 (UTC) EDIT: I just realized that the user's purported (former) residence of Banská Bystrica would point to User:Wladthemlat even. Probably just a coincidence though.
 * It looks that CoolKoon prounounced my name as a possible sockmaster again ... I am not amazed of this accusation, because he constantly repeats these syntheses, but these personal attacks are unpleasant harassment for me now. I wrote him that I do not have any puppet masters and I am also not puppet master, but this user will write their syntheses probably indefinitely. Why would I create another account to make some edits that can not even disruptive or blamable for breaking any wikipedia rule?
 * I don't think it is Samofi's account either. Making sockpuppets is not one of Samofi's habits. Also the recent sock of Samofi, named Savneli 99% belongs to Bizovne - see proofs here:
 * As long as this account is not disruptive, we should wait some more time before any hasty sanction --Omen1229 (talk) 08:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I simply pointed out the striking similarities between his and your latest edits. Will you take me to ANI for spelling out what's obvious then? I mean why is it that e.g. my edit pattern doesn't resemble that of this user then? Also, it's quite interesting that you appeared out of nowhere immediately after your nick has been mentioned here, obviously with the sole intention of reacting to my comment. How come you're so nervous? Do you have something to hide perhaps? Because if you have nothing to do with the alleged sockpuppet above, you won't be affected by this CU at all.
 * On the other hand I agree with the fact that so far Samofi had only a single sockpuppet (it was called CsabaBabba IIRC) and this other sockpuppet he's been associated with belongs to Bizovne (I mean nobody else would be fanatical enough to post the anti-Hungarian note he posted on my talk page to other talk pages as well) yet Samofi's been wrongly accused of being in control of that account as well. Hopefully history won't repeat itself here. -- CoolKoon (talk) 10:42, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

From my colleagues' comments, I can see that Samofi was unjustly labelled as a sock puppet owner in the past months too. 2 fellows above write about a certain individual named Savneli, who was in reality Bizovne's servant. And as an outsider, studying link 17 offered by Omen1229, I tend to confirm them. Especially this part: "Savneli put messages about "prof Cavalli"  just like Bizvone had done in the past:  " is quite justificative.

I hope and trust that this time the judgement will be correct and will not draw a connexion between me and Samofi, which is unexistingIrji2012 (talk) 09:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * , though they're editing via an open proxy - A l is o n  ❤ 07:11, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * There are some striking similarities, and the checkuser result is equivocal. However, there are also striking differences, including differences in use of English which would be difficult to fake. My conclusion is that Irji2012 does not appear to be a sockpuppet of Samofi. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:37, 13 November 2012 (UTC)