Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Savary34/Archive

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It appears that despite ’ previous denials in a sockpuppet investigation, is a sockpuppet (and among others?) of  see:

tried to hide the connection that unmasked him here :


 * Both accounts  and  are editing on the same article Étienne de Perier
 * Aggravating circumstances: is not a newbie in Sockpuppetry: he is blocked on French Wikepedia for the same reason (also on the Perier Family) see :

tried to hide the connection that unmasked him here :
 * I request the indefinite block of the sockpuppet account
 * I request be blocked at least one month (as in French Wikipedia)  as the last warning for this repeated dishonest behavior.

Thanks --Belyny (talk) 17:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Belyny (talk) 17:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Belyny, Instead of wasting your time and annoying the moderators by trying to eliminate contributors who try to advocate objectivity (me after Savary34, for the record here), in order to impose your point of view, would you mind looking for new sources in French on Étienne de Perier ? Given your skills on the French Wikipedia, I assume that you speak this language well (you only have to read this to realise it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_to_block_LouisianaDavis_and_Caux9_for_repeated_Sockpuppetry_lie_and_dishonest_behavior) : I know that many articles in French exist on this governor - for example on Google Scholar. This would allow us to make intelligent progress in the writing of the article, with Carter's validation. PS : as a reminder, your account was created for a single purpose, and all your actions have proven that you are not a newbie. Your present approach is therefore useless. Whose sockpuppet is Belyny ? That is the question. Yours sincerely, LouisianaDavis (talk) 19:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note concurrent SPI (with all involved named editors at) Sockpuppet investigations/Savary34. As for the evidence, it is convincing that LouisianaDavis is a WP:SPA created by Caux9 for this enwiki article. However, this does not violate policy by itself. Caux9 has 23 edits on enwiki, and the last ones to Étienne de Perier are small edits from June 2020 that are not contentious. The other edit to talk is a miss-signing that was corrected, so there isn't an appearance of multiple support votes. As mentioned at Sockpuppet investigations/Savary34, the filer himself,, is a WP:SPA created for this article on enwiki while exhibiting great familiarity with frwiki editors.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 05:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Eostrix for your message and this confirmation about Belyny which seems to be "Heurtelions" on the french Wiki. Reading this contributor's attacks on me and Savary34, it appears that his actions are most dishonest: he accuses me of wrongdoings that concern him in the first place. It is a real shame to leave the editing of Wikipedia articles - an objective encyclopedia - to this kind of individual whose only motivation seems to be to impose his vision of things and to eliminate those who wish to remain in a sincere intellectual approach. Yours faithfully, LouisianaDavis (talk) 14:20, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Warning : you wrote : "Belyny which seems to be "Heurtelions" on the french Wiki"... I remind you : "Do not make accusations without providing evidence. Doing so is a personal attack".
 * Do you admit that you are the sockpuppet of who edited on the same article Étienne de Perier and who is blocked on French Wikepedia for the same reason (also on the Perier Family)    or despite the evidences you continue to deny your Sockpuppetry as a SPA? I remind you that "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts" is Sockpuppetry. Lying about Sockpuppetry or do not recognize Sockpuppetry is an unacceptable behaviour and a aggravating fault'''. --Belyny (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Belyny, Warning : Maybe that's why you were unfoundedly accusing me of being Savary34 (here)? According to you, contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts is Sockpuppetry, so you don't mind having an account on the French Wikipedia (now everyone knows, you can't lie anymore) ? The sprinkler is sprinkled. :-) I won't waste any more time with you dear Heurtelions, enjoy your uninteresting monologues. Very good evening to you. LouisianaDavis (talk) 19:24, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I had doubts that you were a sockpuppet... now with  and  we know  undoubtedly that you are a sockpuppet of  (blocked for sockpuppetry on frwiki), even if you refuse to recognize it.
 * "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts is Sockpuppetry" is not "according to me" but according to Sockpuppetry
 * Poor defence for an established sockpuppet as you are to accuse others of Sockpuppetry. --Belyny (talk) 01:33, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅. Bagging and tagging both accounts. This SPI can be closed...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   21:10, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

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is a new account created today who goes directly for his first edits on the article Étienne de Perier to support and make the same edits wiht the same comments:


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I add who edited on this article Étienne de Perier and who was blocked on French Wkipedia for sockpuppetry   on Perier family? (I add this account in the Sockpuppet investigations) --Belyny (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

I think there is a good evidence of sock-puppetry especially if the IPs come from the same country (France) (  seems to be a member of the de Perier family very active on the same article  fr:Étienne Perier on French Wiki. Belyny (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * With 23 edits to their name and this not newbie first edit on 27 May 2021, I express concerns on the filer himself . I am unfamiliar with plausible masters here though.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 17:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Without passing judgement on any of the complaints,, I think it's clear that and  are both experienced editors from fr-wiki, but neither has a long history here. Carter (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree with your assessment that both are experienced from frwiki. However Savary34 is a long standing account (editing frwiki from Jan 2019, enwiki from Jun 2020). Belyny, by contrast, is a WP:SPA created on 27 May 2021 solely to edit Étienne de Perier on enwiki and file these admin reports. As of this date, Belyny has no edits on frwiki despite exhibiting close familiarity with editors there.-- Eostrix  (&#x1F989; hoot hoot&#x1F989;) 05:35, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, some comments on what you say : Regard, --Belyny (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Even I read frwiki and even I know frwiki, I have no obligation to edit on frwiki for editing on enwiki.
 * May I remind you that each Wiki is independent.
 * I’m surprised your concerns (wih any evidence) about the fact that I could be a sockpuppet (of who?). I remind you : "Do not make accusations without providing evidence. Doing so is a personal attack". So please stop this kind of vague accusations against me.
 * Last : you seem to find extenuating circumstances to the WP:SPA  when it’s proven that  is a sockpuppet of  ...


 * Let the test reveal that louisiana davis is not at all my sockpuppet.--Savary34 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * According to Belyny, after you Savary34 and me, only one more contributor is needed to accomplish the miracle of the Holy Trinity ! 3 different people in the same flesh : isn't that beautiful ? Sincerely, --LouisianaDavis (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Closing, please see below. Mz7 (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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Notification : C.Fred; Bbb23;  Eostrix  Thanks Belyny (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
 * A army of sockpuppets who take turns in the articles Étienne de Perier, Antoine-Alexis Perier de Salvert and generally concerning members of Perier’s family. Maybe they are meatpuppets (difficult to know who is the master sockpuppet)...
 * A previous investigation Sockpuppet investigations/Caux9/Archive proved that  and  were Sockpuppets
 * The link between and the others sockpuppets has not yet been verified despite a request Sockpuppet investigations/Savary34 but the changes mades by  and  are the sames:
 * Maybe they use of different home phone lines and cell phone lines to throw off investigations but I think they are from same country I request the search and blocking of "sleeping accounts" (Caux9 is also blocked in frWiki for Sockpuppetery)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * All four accounts (Savary34, Bexmano, Caux9, LouisianaDavis) are ✅ to each other. : I will be reblocking the master, Savary34, indefinitely. Please merge the archived case at Sockpuppet investigations/Caux9 into this one. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Moved as requested. Close. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 21:40, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

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Background (copied from Special:Diff/1034385809) on Talk:Étienne Perier (governor).

"This article was created on January 29 2006 by Landrjm with the title "Etienne Perier (governor)" and the beginning of the article was : "Etienne Perier was..." (1) On June 4 2020 the sockpuppet User:Caux9/User:Savary34 changed in the text "Etienne Perier" to "Etienne de Perier with no valid reason (2) On October 29 2020‎ the sokpuppet [sic] Savary34/Caux9 ... moved the page ... to "Étienne de Perier" with the ... reason "His name was Etienne de Perier, not "Etienne Perier" (3)".

Edits are surprisingly in-line with one another and almost exclusively edit the same topics as the sock. It attempted to make the same page move that the sockmaster had made. 4 5. Their accounts also both seem to be blocked for sockpuppetry on the French Wiki. fr:Spécial:Contributions/Loris565 fr:Spécial:Contributions/BBC440. Painting17 (talk) 14:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * and both were confirmed to each other by French Wikipedia Checkusers.  - Please block both  indefinitely. . --Jack Frost (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * firefly ( t · c ) 10:14, 22 May 2022 (UTC)