Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Schily/Archive

17 August 2014

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Schily has apparently enlisted FUZxxl to promote his project in Comparison_of_revision_control_software.

See for example, FUZxxl's removal of maintenance tags without resolving the issue:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_revision_control_software&diff=621194423&oldid=621115541

Earlier, FUZxxl had added this edit promoting Jorg Schilling to the topic:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_revision_control_software&diff=prev&oldid=620387606

As noted here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Diego_Moya&diff=605440950&oldid=605298601 Schily has self-identified as the individual described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Schilling

The connection between the two can be seen clearly by following FUZxxl's self-identification in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:FUZxxl&oldid=223295762 which connects to his German user page that provides his personal email address: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:FUZxxl The address is frequently in use since 2010, always by the same individual: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22fuz%40fuz.su%22 In particular: http://fuz.su/~fuz/ which gives his name. Following the name, one can see that he has been employed by Schilling's organization and is a close associate of Schilling because of his assistance on Schilling's projects:
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Robert+Clausecker%22+%22jorg+schilling%22
 * http://schillix.sourceforge.net/pmwiki.php/Main/Ideas
 * http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/en/elan/kontakt/mitarbeiter/index.html

Some context:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Schily&diff=prev&oldid=612825724
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mr._Stradivarius&diff=prev&oldid=613415819

Schily's comments, giving additional context:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=613290425
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=613299079
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Schily&diff=prev&oldid=613127079
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=612770466
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Schily&diff=prev&oldid=612757948
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=612748893
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=612609868
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cdrtools&diff=prev&oldid=612521880
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=612496475
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=611390034
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bakkedal&diff=prev&oldid=610503968
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=610503300
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cdrtools&diff=prev&oldid=608395758
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Make_%28software%29&diff=prev&oldid=608235880
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_revision_control_software&diff=prev&oldid=607605956
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Source_Code_Control_System&diff=prev&oldid=607450699
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=605740674

Previous discussion of Schily's edits:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_73#Cdrtools
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_75#Cdrkit

Schily declines repeated requests for reliable sources, provides only his personal experience https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:David_Korn_%28computer_scientist%29&diff=prev&oldid=609648792

Until mid-June 2014, Schily was assisted by Ekkt0r. FUZxxl is likely not the same individual, based on manner of expression. TEDickey (talk) 13:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Please explain to me in what way User:Schily has enlisted me to promote his project. Please also explain what project of his I am apparently promoting and how I violate WP:COI with my edits. After carefully reviewing the edits I made, I see that your judgement in regards to the source you annotated as questionable was in fact correct. I have since, as a result of the corresponding discussion, updated the reference. Please do not abuse the SPI process because you are unable to admit that the claim you disputed was correct, even though badly sourced.

The reason I added rows about SCCS to the tables in Comparison of revision control software is that SCCS is historically important as a (once) widespread version control system and remains of importance because of its inclusion in the POSIX standard. The apparently surprising fact that more than one person is interested in SCCS and contributes information about this topic to Wikipedia is no reason to consider me a sockpuppet / meatpuppet of User:Schily.

For the sake of transparency, I'd like to declare my relationship with User:Schily. I used to work as an intern of his on the SchilliX project. This internship ended autumn 2013. I have since not worked on any project related to User:Schily although I remain employed at the same company as him. I have neither worked on User:Schily's SCCS fork, nor am I in any way associated with that project. --FUZxxl (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, the time for explaining your association with Schily would have been after the first warning. As for the recent update - the issue still is that the version-numbering is a key factor in Schily's self-promotion of SCCS "6".  TEDickey (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I can't follow you. In what way is the version-numbering of SCCS (which clearly exists) a key-factor in User:Schily's self-promotion of SCCS 6? According to his comments, such a version doesn't even exist yet, so how can he promote it. I would be happy if you could point out instances where User:Schily promoted an SCCS version 6. Maybe I have missed that. Still, it is unclear why you try to make a true claim false so desperately. Do you have any motive or interest? --FUZxxl (talk) 18:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I opened the SPI to get comments from other users, not to carry on a pointless argument with you. TEDickey (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You just made a claim, namely that 'the version-numbering is a key factor in Schily's self-promotion of SCCS "6"'. You refuse to explain what you mean with that claim or what self-promotion you point to, yet you try to construct a motive out of that. Isn't it you who rigorously deletes unbacked claims? Why do you engage in such behaviour yourself? Please stop being childish. Starting an SPI against another user is not a substitute for admitting that you're wrong. Because you refuse to continue adding facts to this debate, I will now go on and remove the  tags as the discussion is over. --FUZxxl (talk) 19:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


 * You're aware of this, for instance. As for the rest, I don't find any of your comments convincing. TEDickey (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
. There is almost no evidence of socking and only a little evidence of possible meat puppetry. Mostly this has to do with conflicts of interest and disruptive editing, neither of which is handled here.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:33, 30 August 2014 (UTC)