Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sennen goroshi/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

 * Home.ne.jp ISP, Japan, Tokyo
 * same as above
 * same as above
 * same as above

Evidence submitted by Caspian blue

 * User_talk:Nihonjoe/Archive_41 The IP 119.173.81.176, suspected as Sennen goroshi by
 * On admin 's talk page Sennen goroshi's visit vs 119.173.81.176's visit after his block by the admin was expired
 * On admin 's talk page (Sennen goroshi vs 119.173.81.176 case 1, case 2)
 * Encounters with admin
 * (Sennen goroshiRequests_for_rollback/Denied/June_2008 vs IP )
 * User_talk:Greglocock/Archive_3 User_talk:Oda_Mari/Archive_2
 * Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive573
 * Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive573
 * Sennen goroshi's 3RR report against others users with the similar arguments (see 1, 2, 3)
 * Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive568
 * Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive574
 * Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive589

Sennen goroshi has a history of using sock ip such as User:203.165.124.61 to avoid scrutiny which designation is Tokyo, Japan with Home.ne.jp ISP. Since Jan. 2009, Sennen goroshi has been well aware that one's block length is increased or doubled whenever his reoccurring disruption is detected and blocked by admins after he got blocked one weeks in a row twice. He has a long history of disrupting Japan-Korea related articles against the consensus or cited information for just his amusement and harassing me as well as other Korean editors. He decided to stop use his main account, but has appeared his interested articles such as automobile related articles with the same edit summary and same bullying attitude to editors in dispute with him. The IP user used "typical tactics" as if he was a total newbie who did not know WP:Edit war and WP:CIVILITY about Wikipedia rules when he was blocked which are exactly same as his unblock requests as Sennen goroshi.

From April and onwards, he has been blocked 4 times for harassing editors, disrupting Wikipedia as well as multiple 3RR violations. However, if he continued the disruption with his main account, or the blocking admins had known that he is a long-term editor with the appalling history and his IP is "relatively" static, his block length is not that much generous that he received. He might have had longer blocks than just 3 days such as "two weeks" or "one month" or indef.block by far.

According to the tool detecting the overlapped articles between Sennen goroshi and 119.173.81.176, it is pretty convincing that the IP use is Sennen goroshi due to the same M.O. including similar edit summaries, same single-minded agenda POV pushing, deletions and distortions of well-sourced information, blatant disregards to formed consensuses, same condescending tones and bullying.

We have a common notion based on WP:AGF that most of IP users are dynamic, so blocking the disruptive IP users more than few days (3 days to the max) can produce a possibility to block "other innocent users" who may use the same IP ranges. However, the IP said unless he intentionally turns off his modem and router, his IP is relatively static (but can be modified by his wish per his other IPs' activities and his own confession in one of the above ANI files against him). Due to his ongoing disruption, I have to file this request. In addition, Sennen goroshi uses not only to avoid scrutiny and to prevent longer blocks that he should have deserved, he has also violated WP:SOCK policy such as to avoid 3RR violation charges more than twice if my memory is correct (will find diffs)--Caspian blue 15:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Sennen goroshi's obsession with the assassination of Empress Myeongseong of Korea by Japanese agents
 * 2) Empress Myeongseong (Sennen goroshi vs 119.173.81.176)
 * 3) Miura Gorō (Sennen goroshi vs 119.173.81.176
 * 4) Emperor Gojong of the Korean Empire
 * 5) Korean independent activists
 * 6) An Jung-geun (Sennen goroshi Talk:An_Jung-geun vs 119.173.81.176)
 * 7) Yoon Bong-Gil (Sennen goroshi's edit after wikistalking me) vs 119.173.81.176) Jang In-hwan
 * 8) Kim Gu
 * 9) Sennen goroshi wikistalking of me at Onigiri, and he also appeared there after I made edits
 * 10) Car-related articles
 * 11) Nürburgring lap times
 * 12) Subaru Impreza WRX STI (Sennen goroshi vs the IP
 * 13) Sport auto (Germany)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
As demonstrated by the evidence listed by Caspian blue, I had voiced my concerns at the talk page of an involved admin, but he showed no interest. As Sennen goroshi and his socks since continued the disruption, it is time that effective administrative action is taken. -- Matthead Discuß   09:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Gaming the system: 4RR within 25-odd hours. -- Matthead Discuß   15:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. Removing tags from a userpage doesn't really qualify as gaming the system, or a 3RR violation, since its a userpage, a tag template and only the IP (not also the named account). Nathan  T 21:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * I'm convinced that Sennen goroshi and 119.ip are the same person. The history of edit warring, and the unusual coincidence of editing interests, makes it pretty clear. The IP appears static, while the Sennen goroshi account has not been used since April. It appears that the account has been abandoned in favor of IP editing, possibly in an attempt to use multiple IPs depending on location and in order to be treated as separate users. The other IPs show related interests. It may be worthwhile to block the account for an extended period at this point, and then require that the user return to editing solely through that account or another disclosed account - and treat any IP edits during the block period that appear to be related as block evasion, extended the block appropriately. Checkuser confirmation on the Sennen goroshi account is impossible, by the way, given the gap. Nathan  T 22:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

All accounts and IPs blocked 1 month. I basically agree with Nathan above. It looks like attempts to cause deception by IP-hopping and possible WP:SCRUTINY going on (even though a couple of the accounts already have significant block logs). –MuZemike 02:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Crossmr
Sennen Goroshi was previously blocked for abusing multiple accounts. He recently received an indef block for disruptive behaviour over a signature. On July 25, Sennen got involved in a dispute about baiting on an article at the same time Winstonlighter appeared and made an edit. He didn't edit again until August 8. Sennen's editing petered off slowly until August 8 at which point Winstonlighter took over heavy editing. As a new user Winstonlighter has immediately become involved in AfD, the same controversial topics as Sennen, and even very quickly started submitting things to DYK, adding edit notices to his user page, etc. Sennen Goroshi stopped editing on August 8 but resumed editing on the 14th, making 1 edit then joined the same AfD a day later as Winstonlighter and supported his position, an AfD for an article he'd never edited. This immediately got him wrapped up in a dispute over offensive korean text in his signature. Most of the rest of his edits were about this issue until August 21 after saying he wanted to add some other text to his signature he suddenly stopped editing. Even though winstonlighter is a new account, he and Sennen show a great amount of overlap in their edited articles already, at Korean Nationalism Winston showed up to revert to Sennen's version of the page in an on-going edit war. Winston also mimics Sennen's user page style by having it consist of a single image. There is far too much overlap here in styles and interest. not to mention one party has a history of abusing multiple accounts and the other is a new user who apparently seems to know it all already. Crossmr (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * ❌ - Tiptoety  talk 05:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Since they are not related, I'll mark for close. TN X Man  11:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



 * Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

Identical edits to Dodge Tomahawk and Talk:Dodge Tomahawk. Same interest in supercars and speed records. Same general geographical location. Pattern of harassment to other editors is the same. Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:40, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * This is an absolute nightmare to dig into and I'm reluctant to even start. Hopefully this troll will give it a rest, but if they have decided to become active again and create swarms of socks, then it will be necessary to dredge up the whole mind-numbing mess. Sooner or later someone is going to have to write up a comprehensive long-term abuse document to explain all this to future admins. This person goes dark for months at a time but they always come back and based on that history I predict they will again. It's only a matter of when editors will have to do all this work to untangle it.The long thread, full of tangents, at Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive315 is where you should start. This is where it was proven that was a sock of notorious LTA account . The collapsed off-topic section of the tediously long thread is where you'll see my post where I step through the links between 72bikers' collaborator  and . What you won't see are the deleted comments on WP:AN and my talk page made during this time period, which contain various personal attacks and such; an admin will have to track those down. There is also the smoking gun where they admitted socking for 12 years. Near the end of the thread  summarizes the case: how Sennen goroshi went dark immediately before Spacecowboy420 was created, who edited for a couple years, then they went inactive and Sennen goroshi reactivated. In addition there are various times they accidentally carried on a conversation without logging in, revealing their IP address. This added evidence of a geographic match between Sennen goroshi and Spacecowboy420. The other main connections between them are: 1) an obsession with pro-Japanese/anti-Korean (or anti-Japanese/pro-Korean? I forget) POV pushing on several articles, 2) Philippine boxer articles, and 3) Supercar articles as well as making identical edits to List of Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times.This brings us to Dodge Tomahawk, where  is pushing the same POV as Sennen goroshi, Spacecowboy420, and 72bikers. Not just deleting the topic of the Tomahawk's top speed, but all claiming the howler that the manufacturer never said the top speed was 300-420 mph. What makes that unique opinion stand out is that, as you can see from the citations at Dodge_Tomahawk, we have piles of direct evidence that the company did in fact make those claims, and Chrysler doubled down on them again and again. It's possible, but unlikely, that several distinct individuals with no connection would all be deluded in this exact same way, and push the same big lie, in spite of how easy it is to debunk it. I submit that there is only one person who thinks this is a slam-dunk argument to delete the top speed content from the Tomahawk article. I think the troll gives them lulz.In addition, if you read the comments by these accounts at Talk:Dodge Tomahawk and at my own talk page, you'll see the same language used again and again in the personal attacks, "hatchet job", "childish", "grow up", "be an adult". This colorful taunt referencing girlfriends and such matches the language and tone of similar attacks, some suppressed and not viewable, by Sennen goroshi, 72bikers and Spacecowboy420.Coincidences are always possible but they become less and less likely when you add more and more "coincidental" matches between the posts by known sock accounts and this new IP address. Since we know 72bikers is a sock of HughD, then it follows that Sennen goroshi and Spacecowboy420 are also HughD socks, if the connections sketched in above are correct.I know this is a lot and it's a terrible drain on my time and yours. Hopefully the IP address will go away even after their block expires, but if they don't then all this will have to be dredged up and gone over. Sorry. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)


 * More: After 72bikers was blocked, they returned to one of their favorite articles,Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R using news socks: },, , and , most of which were blocked. Then another one, , is reverted by me and reported to SPI by me, as a sock of "Hit a couple corners", which someone else recognized as really a sock of HughD. This provokes him to make a new sock , and taunt me on my talk page. Less than 24 hours Sennen goroshi edits Dodge Tomahawk for the first time ever. Why? Compare Sennen goroshi's edit summary with the IP: "If any editor ever needs a perfect example of UNDUE WEIGHT, they only have to link to the previous version of this article" and the talk header "Holy Shitballs Undue Weight-fest 2021: new section". Note the knee-jerk defensiveness of how both delete their talk page warnings and demand nobody post them there. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * One more "coincidence" is the IP's feigned ignorance of how to correctly format talk comments, and instant reverting of anybody who attempts to fix them. You can see numerous examples of this becoming an issue in 72bikers's history (e.g. ), and Sennen goroshi has just as much sidetracked their own attempts to persuade others by bickering over leaving their comments incorrectly indented, e.g., Talk:Dodge_Tomahawk and as already cited, at Administrators%27 noticeboard/Archive315. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for the report, but a couple of suggestions for future reports. The checkuser template generates the links that are generally useful in an SPI.  There's also a number of automations which key on that template, so using it simplifies processing.  Also, brevity is appreciated.  Links to specific diffs are a lot more useful than long essays. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * You didn't notice the first words, "This is an absolute nightmare to dig into"? Or where I said "I know this is a lot and it's a terrible drain on my time and yours"? Or where I said "sorry"? Those were cues that I'm aware that this is not brief though we all wish it was.Most long term abuse are impossible to describe briefly, which is one of the reasons they're able to get away with it for so long. Either an admin is willing to volunteer enough of their time to read through all of this, and click on the links to user contributions and article histories, and tediously compare edits to see the patterns and similarities, or they aren't willing, and the case goes unresolved until someone else takes on the thankless task. I had to put up with months of trolling, abuse, and IBAN before the truth finally came out. If you can't prove it with a few diffs hardly anybody will even look. But eventually someone will and these notes are on record for when that comes about. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

I like cars and bikes, that probably puts me in a category of about a billion people.

I can't recall making any edits regarding speed records.

I'm in the " Same general geographical location." as about a 100 million other people.

136.158.59.173 (talk) 06:47, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Noting for the reviewing clerk that while this IP is already blocked 31h for vandalism, might be worth a look.  Blablubbs&#124;talk 15:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Connecting an IP back to a decade-old SPI case is kind of a stretch. As a more practical matter, SPI is badly backed up and even when it's not, tends to move slowly.  WP:RFP and/or WP:AIV can probably respond faster to deal with this sort of problem in the future.  Closing. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:37, 20 April 2021 (UTC)