Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Serafin/Archive

Report date March 31 2009, 21:17 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by

Identical pattern of editing i.e using ''COPERNICUS POLISH astronomer. NATIVE POLISH land was never German property'' as edit summary
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 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Tagged, and moved case to proper name.  Syn  ergy 00:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * ✅ both as . IP hardblocked for a year. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 23:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Report date July 12 2009, 21:37 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by User:Novickas

The various sockpuppets of Serafin have a long history of editing the article Jan Dzierzon - compare that list to the edit summary of the article. The sockpuppets' agenda at that article has been to 1) characterize Dzierzon as purely Polish; and 2) to discourage any discussion of whether it was Dzierzon or L.L. Langstroth who invented bee space. (It's a complex issue that I've compared, at the talk page, to the invention of calculus, but N. has removed cn tags with "no citation needed" .) Note that the term bee space redirects to the Langstroth page - just to give you-all a glimpse of the issue. In May, June, and July of 2009 User:Typvbnew appeared at the DZ page to pursue the same agenda. . For more evidence, pls check this posting. Eh, if I messed up, sorry, it's my first. Novickas (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


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Requested by Novickas (talk) 21:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
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 * If Typvbnew is the suspected puppet master, who is the puppet; if Typvbnew is the puppet, who is the master? -- Avi (talk) 05:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Serafin is the master, User:Typvbnew the puppet. Should I edit this page, move it, or start a new one? Novickas (talk) 11:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * : Case moved. Nathan  T 14:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI, the 131.0.0.0/16 IP socks from the University of Guelph are all Serafin as well. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 13:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * the following (essentially confirmed by MO):

Evidence submitted by M0RD00R
An obvious WP:SPA created for revert warring at Jan Dzierzon article (no contributions to any other articles) plagued by other Serafin's (see User:Luna Santin/Sockwatch/Serafin) socks User:Typvbnew, User:Otto11, User:Dlugopis, User:Wiatr etc).

Modus operandi - removal of Dzierzon's German citizenship from the article's lead seaction in breach of WP:MOS and leaving only his Polish ethnic background. All socks also display similar pattern in changing placename order - Polish is placed first, and German in brackets

Compare:


 * User:Anodrtym - ,


 * Serafin's sock User:Typvbnew -
 * Serafin's sock User:Dlugopis -
 * Serafin's sock User:Wiatr -

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Requested by M0RD00R (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅. Dominic·t 07:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 19:02, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Skäpperöd
Skäpperöd (talk) 08:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * nationalist comments on their user page
 * contribs focussing exclusively on the nationality/ethnicity of Jan Dzierżon, repeatedly targeted by Serafin [ever since
 * Account name resembles earlier socks
 * see also: AN/I thread, commenting admin refered to SPI

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 * Seems rather obvious on behavioral grounds. Blocked. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:57, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

tagged SpitfireTally-ho! 10:31, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

15 November 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets




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User:Pszczola-os has reinstated material removed from Insect by a consensus of editors. The material was originally added by User:Pszczola-osa, an indefinitely blocked sock-puppet of User:Serafin who has operated several similar accounts in the past. The user created an additional sock account as User:Getbee (now blocked as another sock of User:Serafin) to support his edits.

Sample of relevant edits at Insect.  Haploidavey (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

(I must apologise for the messed I seem to have caused in the section above.)
 * Logan Talk Contributions 23:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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 * . Future Perfect already blocked one sock; I blocked the other. Endorsing for sleepers. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Didn't find any sleepers. though. Hopefully that will help. Elockid  ( Talk ) 03:15, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

27 November 2012

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131.104.139.178, 216.16.241.130 , Burham , 131.104.138.245 , and 174.114.58.205 repeatedly edit war a table into the article on Silesia. This table was initially created by Serafin's sock Cleaghyre.

Burham uses IPs in this range. 

On Ckatz's talk page, both Burham and Silesia1 posted rants against and  complete with plenty of ALL CAPS words. This is Silesia1's only edit. The content of Burham's post consists of bizarre theories about bureaucracy versus democracy that Serafin's sock Dlugopis shares. Burham also inserts bureaucracy as a form of government.

Additionally, both Serafin and 174.114.58.205  use smilies with many mouths, like ":)))))".

Both Serafin (as Dlugopis) and Burham  like to force a nationality on Copernicus.

Serafin and 174.114.58.205  mess with San Marino's constitution.

Finally, they all use long, rambling edit summaries with many ALL CAPS words: Special:Contributions/174.114.58.205, Special:Contributions/Dlugopis, Special:Contributions/Burham, and Special:Contributions/Cleaghyre. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

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These two:



are confirmed as matching each other. No comments on the IP addresses, and every prior sock on Serafin I can find is stale. Courcelles 18:46, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've blocked and tagged the socks. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

19 December 2012

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Sok-not has only edited one thing since creating an account less than a week ago, Template:Forms of government. His edits seem to be a continuation (wanting to add the same material to the template) of one of Serafin's puppets, User:Burham, who was blocked on November 27. Look at the discussion by Burham on the template's talk page. Although there are very few comments made by Sok-not, those that have been made (e.g., ; ) indicate that he's not a native English speaker, just like Burham, although, to be honest, Burham's English appears to be worse. Finally, unless "Sok" means something special, who the hell picks a user name like Sok-not? Bbb23 (talk) 02:36, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * - Endorse for suspicious, but not ducky activity, as well as a sleeper check. ( X! ·  talk )  · @200  · 03:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be useless, but all CU can say here is that this account is sort-of-close geographically to the last socks, but there's nothing useful beyond that available. Courcelles 07:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, it's good enough. Contribs look fairly similar, so I'm calling it a sock. Closing, blocked and tagged. ( X! ·  talk )  · @219  · 04:15, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

09 April 2013

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Serafin was blocked in 2007 for nationalist POV pushing, especially at Nicolaus Copernicus. User:207.112.105.233 started to edit by blankíng User:Serafin's userpage and soon focused on Serafin's main topic: Nicolaus Copernicus' nationality. The IP is located in Toronto, Canada

User:70.28.16.8 is also based in Toronto, Canada and focuses on Copernicus, both IP's share the same POV.

User:Astronomer28 is a single purpose account who made a first (and single) edit in August 2007 (a few months after Serafin's block), a number of edits in in February /March 2008 and returned 5 years later. Astonomer28 edits almost exclusively the Copernicus article

User:Nihil novi, an experienced, usually uncontroversial user, made some distorting corrections of User:70.28.16.8's comment. Falsifying other users comments is not a common behaviour, especially for an experienced user like Nihil Novi, so why should he edit the IP's comment? HerkusMonte (talk) 15:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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So let's assume for the sake of discussion that Nihil Novi is 70.28.16.8. So what? 70.28.16.8 has not done any disruptive edits, and forgetting to sign for some edits is hardly a crime. 70.28.16.8 has not been edit warring, so unless there is an instance of double voting or such, this is not a concern. Now, Seraphin was a disruptive editor, sure, but the fact that both he and NN may be based in the same, large city (or visited it briefly...) is hardly a cause for any investigation. This seems very "fishy" to me... PS. Edits by Astronomer28 are more worrisome (SPA, sure), but I don't see why they should be connected to NN. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * See a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. EdJohnston (talk) 04:38, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

This is the second time HerkusMonte has accused me of being a sockpuppet. I am not one. Nor have I set up the account to help anyone. Nor am I motivated by nationalism. I have advocated only the NPOV (the content of which HerkusMonte perhaps has a problem with). My account is completely legitimate and I have not violated any Wikipedia terms of use. Please restore my editing privileges. Thank you. Astronomer28 (talk) 09:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)


 * was blocked in the context of this, shouldn't this account be included here, too?
 * add. note: per Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Mieszko 8, this seems to be a separate sockmaster. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * add. note: see Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive792 Skäpperöd (talk) 09:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * is meanwhile identified as a Serafin sock and blocked accordingly
 * was also identified as a sockpuppet in the same context, but that IP obviously belongs to the Wikinger sock farm. So we have at least two sockmasters active at the Copernicus page.
 * add. note: another Wikinger sock was most likely who vandalized this report (now blocked) Skäpperöd (talk) 06:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Re, who c/e-ed, as if it was his, the comment of 70.28.16.8 - raises eyebrows and needs CU assessment. Contrary to Piotrus assumption above, that if "Nihil Novi is 70.28.16.8. So what? 70.28.16.8 has not done any disruptive edits" - 70.28.16.8 in fact did call for support of Nihil novi (addressed in the 3rd person) in the very comment edited by Nihil novi ("LEAVE THE VERSION of Nihil novi"). If Nn = 70..., then this is deceptive/sock abuse.
 * Skäpperöd (talk) 07:49, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or, with a little AGF, it is simply speaking of oneself in the third person. Or could be using a public space, not logging in for security reasons, and wanting to ensure editors know which version is being talked about. Some AGF is nice, try it out. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:56, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, right! Honi soit qui mal y pense. --IIIraute (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 70.28.16.8 is obviously not Nihil novi. 70.28.16.8 has very bad English. Nihil novi has really good English. And this in a way which can't be faked. Compare the before and after. If Nn was 70.28 why didn't he write it in proper English to begin with? If the supposed motivation was socking, then why did he then correct? That makes no sense. I think all that happened here is that Nihil novi edited another user's comment to make it more comprehensible/persuasive. Volunteer Marek 14:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * There was a previous sock report at Sockpuppet investigations/Astronomer28/Archive in which checkuser did not confirm that Astronomer28 and Mieszko 8 were the same person. At present Mieszko 8 is blocked two months by Future Perfect and Astronomer28 is under a topic ban from Copernicus under WP:ARBEE. This report can be helpful if it will clarify which IPs are more likely to be Serafin or Wikinger socks. For the future, the behavior of these editors is so blatant that action can probably be taken under WP:ARBEE for any continuation of what the possible socks have been doing. It would still be good to hear from Nihil novi. Checkuser is not going to answer Skäpperöd's question above (whether the IP is Nihil novi) due to the privacy policy. EdJohnston (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I would like to hear a comment from Nihil novi about why he edited the comments of the IP, which was certainly not a proper thing to do . However, at first sight it really doesn't look like a sinister socking plan gone wrong. I'd agree with Marek on that point: if the IPs were really his, it would imply a big, long-term and intentional scheme of faking a poor-English-speaker persona. But why then would he intentionally break that guise and give himself away by correcting his fake broken English afterwards? It just makes no sense. He may have been simply trying to salvage the message of the IP's posting, thinking that there was some value in it. But of course he should have left a note about that somewhere – if not for reasons of avoiding unnecessary sock suspicions then certainly for reasons of general talkpage etiquette. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:25, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Marek's explanation is correct. User 70.28.16.8 had some valid points to contribute to the discussion, which were obscured by his limited command of English.

On a tangential note: I wish that some of the present investigative energies were devoted to serious discussion of points made by 70.28.16.8 and some other contributors. Those points really have not been addressed by the defenders of a supposedly sacrosanct "consensus" that is not shared by preponderant informed opinion in the world. Rather, there has been an effort to muzzle one side of the discussion in the name of an ill-conceived orthodoxy. The result includes an underdeveloped, uninformative, poorly worded lead (compare with ) that is an injustice to the article's subject, Copernicus. Nihil novi (talk) 01:09, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * There was a distress call left on my talk page by User 109.78.195.206 from Ireland. Obviously, I can do nothing about the ongoing dispute, however, putting Nihil novi under this specific investigation is just plain silly. Poeticbent talk 12:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Added to WP:ANI. Skäpperöd (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Now at Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive792. Skäpperöd (talk) 09:57, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

needs to be added to the list. Skäpperöd (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Add whoever you want Mr.Skäpperöd. The fact is I did not edited Wikipedia article, just add arguments to the Talk Page. The problem with you is that you want SHUT UP any person who is inconvenient for you POV. But here is not a work of shouting and shunting, here is an academic work and freedom of speech is above you wishes.--207.112.105.233 (talk) 16:24, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The IP above is also making creepy threats against users. a13ean (talk) 16:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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 * Astronomer28 is certainly suspicious, but not enough for me to call him a sockpuppet. Nihil novi is certainly unrelated. The IPs are blocked. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

02 August 2013

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User:Omniwore made some POVish edits at Szczecin and was soon supported by the IP. The IP was already blocked before as a sockpuppet of User:Serafin. They share the same nationalist POV (like Serafin), ignore opposing views and "discuss" in an extremely aggressive and offensive way. HerkusMonte (talk) 07:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the sockpuppets. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)