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These two accounts were created in 2016 one day after each other. Today, after Milos was reported for warring at Skanderbeg, SP emerged after months of inactivity to continue warring. Both have used the term "vandalism" for other editors' edits. Four minutes after Milos posted at the warring noticeboard, SP reverted to Milos' version,. SP has only four edits so a CU is needed to verify any possible connection. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * Thanks you for input. Sorry for listing MilosHaran as master, I saw that SP was a minute older but I lost my concentration while opening the SPI. It was very late at night. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 09:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * you mentioned the likelihood of sleepers-- did the CU give any further insight on that or nah? Thanks, --Calthinus (talk) 14:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, CU conclusion is that these two accounts are related only to each other. Ktrimi991 (talk) 14:08, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Let me make this clear. Me and Miloš are not the same person. We are close friends though. We share interest in history, and we decided to make Wikipedia accounts after hanging out on Skype one day. That's the reason we cooperate on this platform pretty often. Also, the reason I was inactive here is because I was far more active on Serbian Wikipedia (you can see my page there to check it for yourself). If you need evidences that we're not the same person, check our Wikimedia Commons accounts, for instance. We have a completely different style of making maps. A completely different style of writing. And I hate to admit, but my English is probably a bit better than Miloš's. Also, you guys probably reported me just because I reverted Miloš's paragraph about possible Serbian origins of Skenderbeg, which you removed for absolutely no valid reason (I mean, the guy literally cited like 10 different non-Serbian sources, what's the problem?). Wikipedia is a platform where facts are meant to be shared, it isn't a place for historical revisionism. If completely valid sources (and in such large amounts) are provided, I see absolutely no reason to remove the claim, except for nationalistic historical revisionism. I'm not much of a nationalist myself, and I personally would not mind if you added a paragraph about possible Albanian origins of some Serbian hero, if you provided valid sources. Notice how there's an entire paragraph about Bulgarian origins of Emperor Stefan Uroš IV Dušan of Serbia? It's because some people put truth above their national interests.SerbianPaleontologist (talk) 19:31, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Self-defense
 * You should have revealed your connection and all confusion would have been avoided. I know other editors who know each other, are friends and do not edit the same articles, nor do they support each other in warring for adding content without consensus. Two friends who edit Wikipedia is a nice thing, as long as the friendship is not used for breaching consensus rules. You need to avoid WP:Meat and everything will be fine. Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:35, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - This is clear enough that on its own I would recommend admin action, but given the age of the accounts I think there is a fair chance there are other sleepers. Endorsing for CU on that basis. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 00:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * . SerbianPaleontologist is the older account.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:10, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * - Please indef SerbianPaleontologist and block MilosHaran for an appropriate amount of time (I recommend between one week and indef). Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 01:59, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it can't be done that way. The case has to be moved to the correct master, the puppet has to be indeffed, and the master blocked for a limited duration. Given the technical finding, I do not recommend blocking the master indefinitely. One week should be the maximum.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:09, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My bad, I misread the account creation times. I will move the case; the correct recommendations for block lengths are to indef MilosHaran and to block SerbianPaleontologist for an appropriate time. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 02:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please have a look at WP:MEAT – it essentially says that we may treat users who engage in the same behavior as others as the same user, even if different people operate the accounts. It also says that closely connected editors should "observe relevant policies such as edit warring as if they were a single account".
 * I'm going to assume good faith here. I will close this case without further action on the condition that you acknowledge that under WP:MEAT, you two must follow policies as if you were the same editor – for example, you may be considered as violating 3RR if you collectively breach the limit, even if neither account individually made more than three reverts – and you must disclose the connection (e.g. by linking to this case) whenever edits from the two of you could create the perception of independent support. Please acknowledge this note (on this page) at your earliest convenience.
 * Finally, I'm sure you're frustrated about the content of the articles in question. This, however, isn't the venue to litigate content of articles. WP:DR lists how we resolve content disputes on Wikipedia. Best, Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 20:04, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Coming here from WP:ANEW. Both accounts blocked 1 week for undisclosed coordinated edit warring. --Neil N  talk to me 16:14, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm closing this. Hopefully the two accounts have gotten the message. If the two accounts edit the same article creating the perception of independent support, or in any other way contravene ILLEGIT, file another report here and I will ask for an indefinite block of the younger account. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 16:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)