Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Serten/Archive

09 December 2014

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This is pretty straightforward. The sockpuppet freely admits their sockpuppetry here and here. On their primary User Talk page, they have of course made edits, i.e. here.Then with their second user name, they have also made edits to their primary User Talk page, i.e. here. Other users have pointed this out to them, i.e. here, here, and talked about this here and here. Prhartcom (talk) 18:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

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First, notice of this complaint is at the various accounts Second, I'm not sure this is really a case of sockpuppetry. The user claims they have been unable to log in to the primary account for "technical reasons" and claims they have already asked an admin to help with that problem. Count me dubious, on the basis of the user's past history. But it could be true! So I asked them to elaborate. One might rightly ask, "Big deal? What business is it of NewsAndEventsGuy if this story is true?" And the answer can be found in the guidance pages for socking and block evasion - we are, fundamentally, a community based on trust. If a user wants to change user names, fine. This particular user only grudgingly added text linking the accounts after some table pounding, and when that happened they added a dubious claim, which - to be fair - could be true, if they provide some diffs. And then I'll have to eat my hat. On the other hand, the user has accrued some negative reputation and it may be that they are trying to distance themself from multiple warnings and complaints at the Serten talk page (deleted about as fast as they get posted) and a couple ANI threads. Assuming there really is a technical issue, I would be satisfied with a straightforward account name-change. On the other hand, if that's just a tall tale, I rather think a further block is appropriate for the purpose of preventing further and/or future breach of community trust. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Comments by NAEG
 * Notice at talk for is here
 * Notice at talk for is here
 * OK, I guess there was some email sent; great! Good luck getting the original problem straightened out. For my part, doubts would probably not have arisen if the user weren't so eager to delete every warning template and reference to past ANI & blocks mentioned at their talk page.  But those doubts were wrong, apparently.  Sorry.   So what's the plan?  Restore the original account and close the second one?  Or the other way around?  Or combine them? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

This and the aggressive statements at my user page are a pretty bad example of the poisoned athmosphere in the climate change topic realm, but no problem of illegal sockpuppetry. First I (as User Serten) actually have faced a continued login problem. I get a server-non -availability-meassage after logging in with my normal password. The issue has momentary been refered to User:Xeno#Log-in_problem, but I have tried various channels before, to no avail so far. What do you expect from me? Hafspajen, which has no WP e-mail asked me a question about our common WP contributuions and experience at User_talk:Serten and pinged, shall I ignore two civil gentlehumans and coworkers for the sake of NewsAndEventsGuy abusive allegations? If the person behind Serten were not identical with me and the login problems were as tell tale, as NewsAndEventsGuy claims, Serten would be the first to appear here. My answer to Hafspajen on the talk page refered to issues no outsider would have been able to detect easily. Serten II (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Rebuttal by Serten


 * Comments by User:Hafspajen
 * Well, I do have many doubts about many users but I never doubted this one for a second. Apparently Serten lost his password or whatever happened. What I do wonder, if a checkuser can prove it is the same guy, cant he get his old account back? He looses edits and - an account that was his. I understand that this was unintentional. Has stated that they can't log into the first account. Can't we help him,  ?  Hafspajen (talk) 21:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * There is no abuse of multiple accounts. The one account stopped editing before the other started, the user makes no attempt to hide the fact that the two accounts belong to the same person, and has stated that they can't log into the first account. There is absolutely no problem at all. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I am quite Ok with your closure, JamesBWatson. For the record, User:Prhartcom keeps on using his sockpuppetry accusations. I ask him to stop that once and all. Serten II (talk) 23:18, 9 December 2014 (UTC)