Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sethie/Archive

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See below. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  02:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Yes, Berean Hunter. I was thinking that TantraYum is a sock. There are a number of similarities between TantraYum and Cali11298. But I see that Sethie is a very old account, which calls into question the Cali11298 connection. Still, Cali11298 admitted before to having an old account. The Cali11298 account wasn't his first. So I'll present evidence here shortly. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:30, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Per Sockpuppet investigations/Cali11298/Archive, there were ways to identifying Cali11298: Immediate creation of a user age, immediate WP:AIV, ANI and/or other noticeboard involvement, copying and pasting templates to warn vandals or disruptive editors, and an interest in politics, sexuality, comics, African American topics, and video games. All of this would typically be seen in the first few or several days of the sock's account. Sometimes some aspects would take a week or more to show themselves. It was also always easy for me to recognize him by the awkward dashes and ellipses in his posts, or sometimes by the variation of "goodbye" in his posts.

TantraYum created his user page with his very first edit, and also left the following message about not being new: "I am somewhat experienced at wikipedia, and retired my old account because it contained some edits and dialogues that reveled personal information. To avoid confusion, I will not edit or participate on any page that my old account was active on for at least a month." I think that another account is Cali, but I'm focusing on the accused accounts in this thread for now. Below are similarities between Cali11298 and TantraYum. More would have surely shown up if the TantraYum account wasn't as new as it is.

Immediate interest in AIV

Compare one of Cali's past socks here, here, here and here to edits by TantraYum here and here. Copied and pasted warning templates, with the simple edit summary of "Warning."

Compare Cali's past socks here, here, here, here, here and here to TantraYum here, here and here.

Use of "rvt" rather than "rv" in some of his edit summaries

Compare past Cali socks here, here, here, here and here to edits by TantraYum here, here, here, here and here.

Awkward dashes and/or ellipses when talking

Compare past accounts here, here, here, here and here to edits by TantraYum here, here, here, here, here and here.

"Goodbye" in different ways, with a comma between the goodbye variation and his signature

Cali11298 likes to state "goodbye" in different ways, with a comma between the goodbye variation and his signature. See here where he states, "Hasta la vista." Here where he states, "Regards." Here where he states, "Anyways, see you." And here and here where he states "Adios."

With TantraYum, I saw one case of this, and it's here, where he states "Warmly."

Interest in video games

Compare this to TantraYum here.

Interest in comics

As noted at Sockpuppet investigations/Cali11298/Archive, Cali11298 likes to edit comic book articles; as seen here, here, here and here. Notice the Silver Surfer interest.

Compare past Cali accounts here, here, here and here to an edit by TantraYum here. Also, TantraYum is interested in the Silver Surfer. One of Cali's past accounts was named SilverSurfingSerpent.

Political

We know that Cali was heavy into politics, but, so far, all I saw was this edit by TantraYum, unless I missed some other political aspect.

Interest in computer/Internet stuff

Compare past Cali socks here and here to edits by TantraYum here and here.

Interested in Indian topics

Compare this to edits by TantraYum here and here.

Interested in school articles

Compare past accounts here, here, here, here, here and here to an edit by TantraYum here.

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I haven't yet looked into the Sethie account for comparisons. Except for inactive or blocked accounts, I'm pinging others who have reported Cali and/or been heavily (or semi) involved in the Cali cases and might want to weigh in: Beyond My Ken, Jayron32, IJBall, EvergreenFir, Dave Dial, Softlavender, DoRD and GeneralizationsAreBad (GAB). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

For the sake of the above users who have been ping'ed here, I would invite you to hold off putting your valuable time and effort into exploring whether or not I am connected to Cali or not because: a) I'm not (unless I have hardcore unknwon split personality disorder) and b) I have privately emailed Berren Hunter with full disclosure about this matter
 * Comment by Tantrayum

While it is a minor detail at this point, Tantayum was a spelling mistake, and I would be happy to erase that account. TantraYum (talk) 04:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying that you are definitely Cali. Only that you share behavioral similarities with him. There's a different editor I believe to be Cali, and that editor has been using that account since 2016. Berean Hunter already knows who I suspect, and I've been gathering evidence on that editor every time he uses that account. With you, it's that I instantly recognized you as not new, became concerned because of that and because of your focus on sex tourism, including child sex tourism, topics. And because of how you've made some odd editing choices and I saw Cali similarities. So, in my opinion, this needed to be looked into. I'm not sure if you have a valid WP:LEGITSOCK excuse for editing both as Sethie and as TantraYum, but that will be up to Berean Hunter to decide. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, I can see that Sethie and TantraYum are the same person. So if you are claiming that Sethie is someone else editing from your IP address, it's not something I can believe unless the person copied your typing style. Also keep WP:Meat puppet in mind. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
All are ✅. Recent example of socking may be seen at Talk:Ramana Maharshi, the history of that article and the history of the Christian universalism article. may want to perform further analysis so we shouldn't close this too quickly. — Berean Hunter   (talk)  02:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * , ping noted, but I don't think that I have anything to add. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 11:41, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  14:26, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , I have received your emails but do not see an issue of privacy and am not convinced. You would do better to make a convincing statement in the section above.

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , in your latest email you indicate that you believe that it is a matter of privacy and have a proposal. I suggest that you email the Arbitration Committee at arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org and they will decide if it is a matter of privacy and how to best proceed.

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  15:35, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In progress. TantraYum (talk) 17:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This has been sitting here for over three months. Are you going to take any action? If not, it should be closed.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Having no feedback from TantraYum on ArbCom feeling different concerning privacy, I've blocked the master 72 hours and indeffed the sock accounts. Closing.