Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shinoshijak/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Shinoshijak has, after 2 years of inactivity, reappeared on Talk:Ashina tribe to chime in on a dispute and dismiss 's perspectives, in line with Ghizz Archus's tack across multiple articles. Shinoshijak is the older account, so I'm listing them as the master, but the behavior here may suggest a 3rd account as a sockmaster behind both Shinoshijak and Ghizz Archus (perhaps WorldCreaterFighter, of Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter fame): virtually the entirety of Shinoshijak's editing history has been to carry out disputes with Hunan201p to a point that seems like clear-cut sockpuppetry, what remains to be seen in my view is whether they are directly connected to Ghizz Archus (or other accounts), or whether this is just an opportunistic opponent of Hunan201p's. Despite Shinoshijak's focus on fighting Hunan201p, they notably do not appear to have edited Ashina tribe, reducing the likelihood that they happened to just be watching this page as discussion took place. NB, the section where Shinoshijak commented is titled Requesting help to build a consensus, but no on-wiki request for input was posted anywhere. It's worth noting that their most recent talk page post is completely out of line with BRD (and appears to echo Ghizz Archus's earlier comment suggesting dispute resolution process based on denying individual editors' right of protest, irrespective of the state of the discussion, rather than our actual guidelines) and differs significantly from my personal perspective of the balance of the discussion on that talk page as someone who has tried to provide mediation (my view is that Hunan201p has provided valid objections to Ghizz Archus's attempts to add content to the article, and that the ball is in Ghizz Archus's court to clarify what they wish to change and justify said changes). signed,Rosguill talk 17:20, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Addding IP 82.36.220.78, who has blatantly canvassed additional editors to Talk:Ashina tribe in this edit. signed,Rosguill talk 22:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
 * At this point, I'm convinced by the behavior and writing patterns in this discussion that the IP and Ghizz Archus are the same person (compare the IP's responses here to Ghizz Archus's responses at Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter). Austronesier's evidence linking the IP to socks of WorldCreaterFighter is further compelling, such that I'd recommend that both Sockpuppet_investigations/WorldCreaterFighter and this discussion be closed as behavioral matches. signed,Rosguill talk 18:18, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

The IP contacted me about the user Hunan on Talk:Ashina_tribe but the circumstances surrounding their behavior is odd. The IP's behavior is strange enough that I would consider this to be some level of trolling. Hunan and the Ashina tribe page were not the initial reason for the IP to edit on my talk page, but only mentioned almost as an afterthought plug in after a streak of combative posting towards me. They initially tried to get me to contact them off wiki on reddit about History of Taiwan, perhaps so I could make contribs for them. I tried to ignore the IP but they had an exchange with another user in my talk page anyways. What's annoying is that the IP keeps making constant minute changes to their content as well. The IP then took issue with a change I made at Kingdom of Tungning and asked me to provide a source for my changes, which I did. But they didn't accept this and asked me for a link so that they'll "shup up" (their words, not mine). Their comment on Hunan and Ashina seemed to come completely out of nowhere. It had not been part of the discussion and the IP had been combative towards me, so I do not understand why they would have expected my help, unless they had prior knowledge that I had an altercation with Hunan two years ago which ultimately led to a three month block for Hunan, although I was not involved for the majority of that incident. I notified the IP that I had given my opinion on the issue at the talk page of Ashina tribe but they were dissatisfied with that as well and continued to hound me for a "link" to my sources. They also mentioned that a certain Young2 recommended me. Very odd behavior for someone who supposedly wanted my help. Qiushufang (talk) 07:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Rossguill, what do you mean the Hunan comment is out of nowhere?.
 * Qiushufang, I sense fear in your post.82.36.220.78 (talk) 09:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "whether this is just an opportunistic opponent of Hunan201p"
 * If your link is shared everywhere".82.36.220.78 (talk) 09:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "they notably do not appear to have edited Ashina tribe"
 * I can do it anytime.82.36.220.78 (talk) 09:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * " continued to hound me for a "link" to my sources "
 * You were way too slow to understand the flow.


 * "They also mentioned that a certain Young2 recommended me " ( Young2 and I are neighbors)
 * One of my biggest regrets is that guy. I refused his request a few times especially because you seem to be some Chinese editor in Taiwanese pages.82.36.220.78 (talk) 10:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * "Addding IP 82.36.220.78, who has blatantly canvassed additional editors to Talk:Ashina tribe in this edit."
 * WP:CANVASS In general, "it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality".
 * But this is the main point " This is because it compromises the normal consensus decision-making process, and therefore is generally considered disruptive behavior ".
 * Well it said 'generally' considered disruptive but it doesn't mean I am being disruptive in this case. If you want didn't editors to know that it was wrong to contact editors it should have been a totally no instead of 'generally'.82.36.220.78 (talk) 10:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Rosguill Addding IP 82.36.220.78, who has blatantly canvassed additional editors to Talk:Ashina tribe in this edit. signed, Rosguill talk 22:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)'''
 * Blatantly?
 * All I said was this
 * "Okay than but would what do you think about this page discussion in this link since your so good with Chinese history (including Taiwanese. There's also a wikipedian user Hunan201p, who is always editing on Chinese history, Turkic history and Asian history. On the Talk:Ashina_tribe he favors Iranian and Caucasoid, and claiming that any Gokturk only look East Asian because of mixing with Chinese or because they took Chinese mothers and Chinese grannies. Currently a user Ghizz is rejecting his views but is stopped by Hunan201p because he doesn't want any Mongoloid or mixed race. Only allowing sources that claims original Ashina were West eurasian. 82.36.220.78 (talk) 21:13, 31 August 2022 (UTC) "
 * Did I say Qiushufang should support Ghizz?
 * Did I say Qiushufang should be totally against Hunan201p?
 * None of that. I responded back with " I think what this guy 'Ghizz' wanted was "Requesting help to build a consensus" so he could start editing again and you gave zero advice. Not even sure if you agreeing or disagreeing."
 * It was Young2 who recommended me. Would you like some evidence from Young2?82.36.220.78 (talk) 13:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Rosguill Despite Shinoshijak's focus on fighting Hunan201p, they notably do not appear to have edited Ashina tribe, reducing the likelihood that they happened to just be watching this page as discussion took place'''
 * Why would not editing Ashina tribe be aroused for suspicious?
 * Have you imagined maybe they don't know what to do?
 * Young2 requested Qiu because he is a experienced editor regarding the history of Turks. I was nothing more but a messenger.82.36.220.78 (talk) 15:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * For my protection:Ghizz and Shino, I really hope you aren't both the same individuals who created two bots (alias sockpuppets). I was recommended by Young2 and he dragged me into all of this. Last resort, I will expose his links and our private inbox conversations.82.36.220.78 (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * This edit clearly links the IP to the socks User:Vamlos and User:DerekHistorian in the WorldCreaterFighter complex (see the behavioral evidence I gathered here; Diff=1102170966 has it all). –Austronesier (talk) 17:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
 * No man. That edit was suggested to me by Young2. Also the last person to edit was this guy Jjyang14
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interracial_marriage&diff=1091202567&oldid=1091198747 and later got reverted because he said some insane things.
 * →''‎Korea: This edit regarding korea was suggested by r/TechnoHapa of reddit who was banned from wikipedia multiple times for promoting racist edits all over the website.
 * More from him "Unfortunately, this edit was suggested to me by u/technohapa who is a deranged individual with incredibly racist views. He has been banned from wikipedia multiple times and I am trying to clean up the mess of his edits"
 * I am pretty sure that is one of Young2 accounts. '' 82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

I feel being used by someone I know and he is my neighbor. Please tell me more what I need to know.82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC) What happens if I did help him out?82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:25, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

'''Extremely thrilled to see the results. If all three of us do get blocked make sure we post our IP addresses. The only question now is why is everything taking so long?'''82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:43, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Behavioral evidence: errant spaces with their question marks (Defending myself)
 * I chose this because is easy and takes little time to do. I can provide more evidence but it will take up a lot of blank spaces.
 * Hunan201p said this: "Ghizz Archus and Vamlos/DerekHistorian always add a number of errant spaces with their question marks"
 * Rossguill thinks my behavior matches Ghizz Archus.
 * Everyone can see Ghizz made his last post from his last date which is 12:49, 1 September 2022 (UTC). Everyone can see he always makes spaces between his sentences and question marks.
 * My question marks are always joined with my sentences.today and yesterday and if your still not satisfied look at my yesterday discussion with Quishufang at the bottom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Qiushufang.
 * All the examples were before Ghizz. Now you can't say I displayed a similar writing style to Ghizz and the others.82.36.220.78 (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * To Ghizz and Shino.

Rossguill is going to find a way to block the three of us. (intentionally or unintentionally? I don't know). It may have to do with Ghizz exposing that Rossguill was supporting Hunan201p this whole time. Just my speculations. Don't know what the results is going to be like? If all three of us do get blocked just show your hidden IP addresses and make sure you report this. There is no way one person can be in three different locations at the same time.82.36.220.78 (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Young2 is short for youngj2827

He was the one who recommended me https://www.reddit.com/user/youngj2827/ Maybe this is the WorldCreaterFighter guy your all looking for.82.36.220.78 (talk) 19:09, 1 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I RECCOMEND TO HAVE ALL THREE OF OUR IP ADDRESSES CHECKED. I would appreciate if anyone gets block is due to their IP address being checked and confirmed a sock of another account, not because of some behavior evidence made from assumptions. I have already made my defense that my editing and writing style is different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.220.78 (talk) 22:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Infinite evidence that Ghizz Archus is not 82.36.220.78 so please stop this investigation  This is my first time. I recently learned that 82.36.220.78 got 1 month blocked for disruptive editing but here is me still editing and so this is my opportunity. I hope this is enough proof that we are two different users ?????

Here is my official Turkish account. I had used it for two years https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullan%C4%B1c%C4%B1:Ghizz_Archus Here is my bare IP address and and my created account I made both of them commented " Vegeta is great " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vegeta#Vegeta_IV

My IP had been used since I created this account two years ago

If you want behavioural evidence 82.36.220.78 made a good point. Is properly just our bad english resulting in many similarities. Also because of my bad english I had used some of Vamlos and DerekHistorian writings and their links to challange editors but only in the part about Uyghurs having no genetic relationship with Dravidians.

All my edits ranges from 09:02 to 23:04 while his edits are from 00:06 to 23:59. If you look our timing are clearly different.Ghizz Archus (talk) 12:39, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The location of our IP address are clearly not name but probably there are still some doubts ??? More evidence: It is physically impossible for a blocked user to edit two times in a span of a minute. First by changing IP address location which will take some time, log into a account, edit and log out, edit all in just 1+ minute of time. Ghizz Archus 13:06, 2 September 2022 and the 82.36.220.713:07, 2 September 2022.

Wikipedian rules.This is my wikipedian IP 176.41.28.41 not the IP number 82.36.220.7. Any normal IP sockuppet investigation should be able to tell which IP address used Ghizz Archus account ??? Ghizz Archus (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
I've blocked the IP for one month for disruptive editing.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm closing this. I see that another CU has run some checks, which presumably didn't turn up anything useful.  But the bottom line here is that even if they are a sock, a single edit to a talk page after 2 years hardly meets the "prevent imminent or continuing damage and disruption to Wikipedia" criteria of WP:BLOCKP.  If additional evidence appears, we can always come back and take another look.  Taking a step back, I strongly suggest all the participants read WP:BATTLEGROUND and take it to heart, otherwise this is going to end up with a multi-way IBAN (or worse) one of these days. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)