Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sinbad Barron/Archive

Report date August 28 2009, 16:13 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by RockyMM


 * Number of previous sock puppets of Sinbad Barron held a variant of the word "neutral" in their's names.
 * Constant POV pushing on articles with scope on Kosovo.
 * Tendency to be disrruptive on discussion pages


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions

Blocked and tagged. Peter Symonds ( talk ) 11:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * (MAIN ACCOUNT, already blocked indef.)
 * (MAIN ACCOUNT, already blocked indef.)
 * (MAIN ACCOUNT, already blocked indef.)

Evidence submitted by Uncle Dick
User:Z Victor Alpha violated WP:3RR on List of war crimes 1, 2, 3, 4. New user User:Neutral Solution 100 immediately picked up the slack and began to revert here. Uncle Dick (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

User admits to socking here. Uncle Dick (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Comments by other users
This is clear as day. For more, see this.

Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring --Tadija (talk) 22:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

This is a total WP:DUCK. Z Victor Alpha/Neutral Solution 100/Warcrimesexpert are clearly the same person, and totally obstructive in his/her editing. I have not investigated Human Rights Believer, and don't have time to do so now. JamesBWatson (talk) 22:29, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by Uncle Dick (talk) 21:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

a fairly obvious case, probably worthwhile running a check for sleepers and to just confirm the link. SpitfireTally-ho! 21:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅; also Silverblaster and Hisoater. Dominic·t 23:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

blocked + tagged, thanks, SpitfireTally-ho! 09:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Drmies
I came across these accounts after plowing into Jason Taylor (guitarist). As it turns out, all these accounts (or their puppets/masters) have worked on this BLP hoax, and in between them they have a number of other articles in common, such as Future plc (I think the person may work there) and Holly Willoughby. I'm filing this on the advice of Gogo Dodo, on whose talk page (see User_talk:Gogo_Dodo I had indicated some of the evidence of quackery.

The article history of the Taylor article (now deleted as a hoax) would provide more diffs linking the above list. I am also suspecting IP 193.198.179.123 (see IP contributions), considering their interest in the odd intersection of Human height and "Balkan related articles" (see the topic ban for Human Rights Believer).

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * ✅ - the following accounts as being the one editor;




 * BTW, these accounts all seem to trace back to and  - both  and judging from their edit history, they appear to be the master account. See also Jason_Taylor_(guitarist) for the full list
 * Blocked and tagged as socks of Sinbad Barron. Cases moved. Tim Song (talk) 07:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Report date March 29 2010, 22:02 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Sockpuppet investigations/Sinbad Barron/Archive Main Investigation
 * Evidence submitted by Tadijataking

Goodbye comment at the end - Goodbye, by Mex Ray Trex

and also

Thankyou comment at the end. - Thankyou, by Human Right Believer

Clear as day. CheckUser needed so other still undiscovered socks may be blocked. Sinbad Barron is master puppeteer, and WP:DE. For more, i am here. WP:DUCK. Tadijataking 22:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by Tadijataking 22:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

Moved from Sockpuppet investigations/Jock No Sock.  E lockid  ( Talk ) 22:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * Both accounts blocked and tagged. TN X Man  14:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Conclusions


 * Both accounts listed are a / match for each other, and for some previously listed accounts in the case archive. – Luna Santin  (talk) 01:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Uncle Dick
Appears to be another sock of User:Sinbad Barron with the typical "Neutral" username and contentious edits on Balkins-related articles (see archives). Recommend Checkuser to flush out any other accounts. Uncle Dick (talk) 22:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * - Endorse "neutral" request for checkuser. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 22:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

✅, plus:



–MuZemike 23:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * All blocked up and tagged. -- DQ  (t)  (e)  02:22, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by 5 albert square
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Sinbad_Barron&diff=prev&oldid=388512020 5 albert square (talk) 18:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. I am not a SOCKPUPPET. I am SINBAD BARRON. I was blocked unafirly, I never got given a second chance, I never used other sockpuppets, I am a true genuine user. Let me have a second chance, Im have User:Sulmues as a reference. Sinbad Barron (talk) 18:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Already blocked and will be tagged momentarily. Self admission. --S.G.(GH) ping! 18:59, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I've blocked Cricket Datum and told him what he needs to do.  E lockid  ( Talk ) 19:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by NativeForeigner
Similar editing habits and mannerisms as pointed out by User:Soap Just returned, and appears to be skirting Albania related issues to avoid another block on Professor Fairness. Has caused User:RaseaC to be blocked for 3rr as professor fairness. Would like CU to verify/overturn concerns. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 22:50, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Also has edited similar articles to previous socks (deepwater spill), and threatened to sock. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 22:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What Albania issues??? I've never heard of such a place. well, don't know nothin' about it. Professor Fairness (talk) 23:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. Firstly, RaseaC was banned for edit warring AND for personal attacks, real ones, not slightly cocky comments like mine. See here. Then he and this Native Foreigner have accused me of vandalizm only. Oh really??? I worked tirelessly to improve the Frome article and what's more, is this vandalizm by me???? Revert it then. Professor Fairness (talk) 23:06, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * - NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 22:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * and
 * are the same person. Both are matches to the accounts in the archive.  TN X Man  23:38, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tagged/blocked. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 23:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tagged/blocked. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 23:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

8 July 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

quack, quack - one is a sock of Sinbad Barron and requests the other to be unblocked in his unblock request, and the other refers to exactly this request in his own unblock request. noclador (talk) 01:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Can something useful be done? We have more then 50 socks! Can someone block, like, everything? So we can just hope that we will not reappear in week time... -- WhiteWriter speaks 11:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - All the data for the master and their socks are stale, but we can CU to see if these two accounts are the same, as well as check for sleepers. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 01:58, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Huge sockfarm here. Mass blocks pending. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not as massive as I'd thought, but some proxy servers were blocked. This is ✅. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:18, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait, so... were the accounts blocked, or is someone going to list them for us to do? —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * if there are other accounts please list them for us to undo any edit they might have done. thanks, noclador (talk) 08:31, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that... the only accounts I blocked were those listed here. I did block a few IP ranges, which are recorded in my block log. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 23:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. I'll close for now. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 23:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

14 February 2013

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * For the record, I am also adding the following account, although it is already blocked. (See below.) JamesBWatson (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * For the record, I am also adding the following account, although it is already blocked. (See below.) JamesBWatson (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
 * Editor interaction utility

May I request an investigation into the following editor: User:Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912.

I detect a number of clues that reveal this may be the very same editor. Firstly the user name itself is contrived to celebrate Albanian nationalist anniversaries - the years that both entities of his name declared independence. The sheer controversy of this leads neatly to:
 * This attack on Slobodan Milošević
 * This greeting on the end of a summary for another POV-edit, "Goodbye"
 * Breach of naming and biographical conventions again to push POV without consensus

I feel certain this is another account from the original abuser. The bad language in summaries is yet another clue that one person just cannot change his ways even if to disguise himself. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:08, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sinbad_Barron&diff=538129676&oldid=438692670 This case was not created properly], so I have corrected it for Evlekis. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
The evidence from this account's editing history looked close to making this a DUCK, but then I found this very useful edit, which effectively announces that Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912 is the same person as KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA. Looking at the editing history of both these accounts together, it was no longer "close to being a DUCK", but became a complete DUCK. I have blocked Kosovo 2008 Albania 1912, and adjusted the block on the already blocked KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA to reflect the fact that the account is a sockpuppet. However, in view of this sockpuppeteer's history, I would appreciate a checkuser, in case of sleepers, and also in case of other accounts which are not sleepers, but which, like KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA, have not yet been recognised as sockpuppets. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There could be sleepers, but they don't share the same technical data and aren't editing within the same general article area right now. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  11:39, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for that. Ready to close. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:00, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

19 February 2013

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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 * Editor interaction utility

per ANI thread here and almost identical behaviour, in particular edit summaries, here. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Look, I think forget it for now. I am travelling and am on my iPad, and it just doesn't let me do what I need to in order to demonstrate the issues. One of the problems with this one is that he is clearly trying to emulate me to some extent, have a look at the Keithstanton user page and then at mine. I have been having some significant issues with User:Oldhouse2012 as well (something like 10 IP-hopping socks in four days or so) and it could possibly be him trying something new in reverse psychology... There are so many socks on these Kosovo articles at the moment it is hard to get the WP:DUCKS in a row, so to speak. Sorry for mucking you about. I'll return to this issue once I'm back on a real computer. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:14, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks DQ. I will get onto it. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Not particularly seeing it - can you provide more details? Rschen7754 08:58, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Closing per Peacemaker67's comment. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:18, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There is reasons to believe at the very least that Keithstanton and are on the same IP network, and hints that they could be related, but nothing concrete due to CU data going stale. A behavioral review should be done before blocks are made. --  DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  21:42, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see compelling behavioral evidence that Keith is any named account. He is clearly not a newbie, but I don't know who he actually is. If someone can come up with a good potential sockmaster for a behavioral comparison, a new case can be opened. Someguy1221 (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

04 April 2013

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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This is a request for CU to find the sockmaster, since several people believe the account to be a sockpuppet.
 * Username — if you're a first-time user, are you going to pick a name like this?
 * Within minutes of registering, user's engaged in ARBMAC-violating edit wars, e.g. his three edits to Agnesa Vuthaj and his edits (example) to Kosovo War. He's quickly blocked for his edits
 * Within minutes of registering, user's figured out complexities of editing: the "example" edit to Kosovo War shows that he either figured out citation templates (I've been here seven years, and I still don't understand them!) or knew how to go back in page histories to find other people using them; he leaves a hostile message at the talk page of an editor who's not interacted with him; and he leaves comments at a DYK nomination subpage
 * Finally, see the discussion in the "Neutral Fair Guy" section of the current revision of WP:AN. Nyttend (talk) 04:35, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * Comment and observation. I don't know how it was deduced that "Sinbad Barron" is the puppet master when that account is no different to the rest on the list. It implies that he is a real person but the others are him concealing his identity. Yet despite all attempts to keep this freelance session editor at bay he keeps bouncing back. I have long suspected that something stinks. The latest incarnation seems to have scored a success with Butcher of the Balkans which has survived the speedy delete suffered in the past when the "same user" created it. However, there are deepeer issues. You - the community with access to information - will never eradicate these accounts until you locate the real mind behind the project. Let's look at the facts: the Sinbad Barron franchise do not generally vandalise. The edits are content-based but are gross violations of NPOV whilst the author hides behind a "neutral" guise. As such, their edits are agreeable to many of the editors that push for related revisions. There is no doubt that the franchise either has a main pupper master who has a regular account, or he is somebody's proxy - on hand to rise from his pit whenever his friend is in need. That said, I am not convinced that every account in the Sinbad list is the very same person. Captain Equality for instance can spell consensus but Neutral Fair Guy writes concensus (an error I used to make in younger days but it is quite common). Either it is a poor attempt to disguise himself or there really is another gang member. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 05:20, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - This is, without a doubt, a banned editor. Although I'm also not sure which one. Someguy1221 (talk) 08:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Digging through this edit history, I noticed a similar username (Captain Equality) which is a sockpuppet of Sinbad Barron. It turns out that here is a geographic correlation between this account and Sinbad Barron, but I haven't done a behavioral comparison yet. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:38, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This case was originally filed under Neutral Fair Guy, but has been moved here. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking through the archives of Sinbad Barron socks, I believe Neutral Fair Guy is a behavioral match. He was already blocked, and now he is tagged. Someguy1221 (talk) 00:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

07 April 2013

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Keithstanton has been blocked indefinitely for persistent WP:ARBMAC disruption, and he popped up at Butcher of the Balkans just as yet another one of Sinbad's sockpuppets had re-created it. I think there's probable cause enough to investigate this based on this behavioral pattern. Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Richwales, I don't see what we have to lose by finding out whether these two accounts are the same person or not. Either result will be informative for future dealings with the problem (I have no doubt they'll eventually return). --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 18:04, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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User:Keithstanton is evidently linked to the Sinbad franchise, but so too are other accounts that rise from their ashes from time to time just to pedal contemporary ARMBAC affairs in the direction of a preferred revision which otherwise violates every aspect of WP:NPOV. I have long been concerned about the so-called accounts of User:Majuru and User:Arianit, others I just cannot remember but we also had User:Interestedinfairness going back some years. I have reason to suspect that the Sinbad Barron network is not operated by one individual, for example here in 2008, we have the correct spelling of "committed" while five years on?, one 't'. I don't think that is a typo when the author clearly thinks that "it's" is the possessive pronoun. There is a pile of related accounts and maybe more than one author involved. My honest opinion is that you need to catch the crook regular account holder that benefits from this concerted group of accounts. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 17:52, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Also, the now archived but recent comments down the bottom of this revision from the same page pretty much assert what I have stated above. An IP match with one of the "family" but no concrete proof that author is same individual. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 18:25, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
I don't see any reason to run a CU here, given that the alleged master and puppet are already indef-blocked. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 00:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Both accounts indeffed, closing. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:49, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

05 February 2015

 * Suspected sockpuppets




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there is few other things, but this is more then enough. Should be checked for some other accounts... 2A03:8180:1002:52:0:0:0:2 (talk) 19:14, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Name - Same as already blocked Neutral Democrat, User:Neutral Player, User:Neutral Solution 100, User:NeutralStandpoint, User:Professor Fairness, User:A Balanced View...
 * First edit - Raising a Proposed move for an article, using template is obvious sign of old editor.
 * Number of questions in one edit summary - Current sock same as blocked sock
 * Using 100% in explanation - Current sock same as blocked sock

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * It looks like you've got it right. The user is focused on distinguishing Kosova from other countries, (NeutralStandpoint, A Balanced View, Let's keep it neutral), insisting on spelling the city as Gjilan (Let's keep it neutral, Neutral Player), referring to the country as Republic of Kosovo (Neutral Democrat, Let's keep it neutral), and a significant overlap in affairs related to southeastern Europe. I've blocked and tagged the account. <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 03:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Confirmed as a sock by the user's own admission. <b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b> • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 19:33, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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I believe that is a sockpuppet account created to circumvent 's Balkan-related topic ban. Hakuli started editing after the latter's block, and susequent ban, went into effect. A number of Let's keep it neutral and Hakuli's edits revolve around the town of Gjilan (Gnjilane) in eastern Kosovo, though with Hakuli, slightly more emphasis is placed on coverage of the town. They both display a blatant and ubiquitous Albanian nationalist bias. Both suggest that Serbian-language toponyms are "offensive" to Albanians, here and here, as reasons for why they should be removed from articles. Both have made contentious edits to 2004 unrest in Kosovo, downplaying the extent of the violence experienced by Serbs, see here and here. They are also vehemently anti-Cyrillic, see this example from Let's keep it neutral and this example from Hakuli Finally, both come across as quite bombastic, using exclamation points where it isn't really appropriate, here, here and here, for example. There are too many stylistic similarities IMO for the two to be unrelated. Of course, we should carry out a CU to be certain. 23 editor (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC) 23 editor (talk) 10:39, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * The filer seems to have forgotten to change "checkuser=no" to "yes". On the suspected sock, they have a poor English, while Sinbad Barron and the confirmed sock spoke a good English. Sinbad and the confirmed sock edited Albanian and non-Albanian articles, Hakuli only Albanian ones. The number of pages edited by both Sinbad/confirmed sock and  Hakuli is very low. Some of the similarities are not unique, as all accounts discussed are Balkan ones. Searching their editing history, Sinbad was very insulting, saying bad things and spreading hate, Hakuli has an obvious pro-Albanian POV but does not insult people. Anyways, a CU would be of much help. Ktrimi991 (talk) 11:56, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I also placed a message on Hakuli's page to inform them about this SPI, they might have not been notified by the ping because the filer modified the page several times without changing the time stamp. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And another thing, the "hate spread" happened when I was younger and less mature. Do you know that 10 years have now passed totally? I have nothing to do with Hakuli and for what it is worth, I see his editing style as 100% neutral, factual, and sourced. It is just that some editors don't like the facts and I think it is sad how they search far and wide to make two accounts look as close to each other as possible to forge some kind of "sock conspiracy". I have been banned on Balkan topics for a long time now and I have observed and respected the ban and the community. So people can stop with all this "hate" and "sock" accusations. I am not a sock anyhow, Sinbad Barron has been barred from editing talk page and I am honest as to who I am. So, this makes this an alternative account, not a sock. I really wanted to edit from User:Neutral Fair Guy but that is for some mysterious reason also in denial of talk page access. So I use Lets's keep it neutral. But I want to reiteratre and reconfirm that I am NOT Hakuli. Sinbad Barron (talk) 09:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Let's keep it neutral and Hakuli are ❌. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2018 (UTC)