Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SkepticalRaptor/Archive

02 December 2012

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Orangemarlin was banned and effectively left on 12 December 2011.

SkepticalRaptor appeared on 6 february 2012.

Going back over the edits of Orangemarlin up to 3 June 2011, the two user names above have both edited in the following categories:

Diagnosis of HIV/AIDS

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Diagnosis_of_HIV/AIDS

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Diagnosis_of_HIV/AIDS

Mount Vesuvius

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Mount_Vesuvius

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Mount_Vesuvius

Volcanic Explosivity Index

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Volcanic_Explosivity_Index

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Volcanic_Explosivity_Index

Lake Toba

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Lake_Toba

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Lake_Toba

Minoan eruption

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Minoan_eruption

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Minoan_eruption

Major depressive disorder

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Major_depressive_disorder

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Major_depressive_disorder

Martha Beck

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Martha_Beck

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Martha_Beck

Burzynski Clinic

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Burzynski_Clinic

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Burzynski_Clinic

Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Cretaceous%E2%80%93Paleogene_extinction_event

Talk:Homeopathy

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Talk:Homeopathy

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Talk:Homeopathy

Younger Dryas impact hypothesis

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis

Abiogenesis

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Abiogenesis

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Abiogenesis

Psychic

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Psychic

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Psychic

Toba catastrophe theory

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Toba_catastrophe_theory

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Toba_catastrophe_theory

Reincarnation research

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Reincarnation_research

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Reincarnation_research

John Edward

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=John_Edward

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=John_Edward

Acupuncture

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Acupuncture

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Acupuncture

Vaccine controversies

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Vaccine_controversies

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Vaccine_controversies

Hatepe eruption.

SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Hatepe_eruption

OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Hatepe_eruption

The users both use similar language and are similarly abusive in their manner (ie this is not a WP:Clean Start) - esp see edit notes, eg:

SkepticalRaptor

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allopathic_medicine&diff=prev&oldid=432394532

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SkepticalRaptor&diff=prev&oldid=524881944

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Homeopathy&diff=prev&oldid=523737684

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SkepticalRaptor&diff=prev&oldid=520640881

...and so on

Orangemarlin

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Policy/Update_and_ratification&diff=prev&oldid=432299686

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Acupuncture&diff=prev&oldid=432455962

...and so on. Cjwilky (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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No behavioral evidence has been presented. Showing they have edited some of the same articles shows nothing. Orangemarlin made 30,000 edits. Of course there will be lots of overlaps with other editors. Also, the checkuser data will be stale, so I see no point in that. IRWolfie- (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * While not exactly the same, the "Rules for this Talk page" on SkepticalRaptor's talk page are similar (although certainly not identical) to those on OrangeMarlin's old talk page. Inks.LWC (talk) 00:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * IRWolfie - the behaviour is in the comments I referenced - would you like more? How many? As a frequent contributor to pages Orangemarlin and SkepticalRaptor have contributed to, you will be familiar with their similarities.


 * Orangemarlin may have made 30,000 edits, but SkepticalRaptor has only made 3,000 edits. Showing they edited in the same articles shows behaviours in editing patterns, and here it is fairly conclusive given the variety and specificity, and the number of edits made by both in some (not just passing by edits) - there are more eg:

Naval Officer Rank Cats
 * OM Ranks in the French Navy http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Ranks_in_the_French_Navy
 * SR Naval officer ranks http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Naval_officer_ranks
 * Fossil falls
 * SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Fossil_Falls
 * OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Fossil_Falls


 * Homeopathy
 * SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Homeopathy&max=100&server=enwiki
 * OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Homeopathy&max=100&server=enwiki


 * Megalania
 * SR http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=SkepticalRaptor&page=Megalania&max=100&server=enwiki
 * OM http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Orangemarlin&page=Megalania&server=enwiki&max=100


 * No doubt there's more.


 * So we have the characteristics of the editors in how they communicate with other editors and disrupt (compare the talk pages of OM and SR, though looking through talk pages in general will add to this), a very similar talk page rule thing going on, and very similar category editing profile. Cjwilky (talk) 01:27, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * (Redacted)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - OrangeMarlin is stale. This will have to be decided based on behavior alone. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ArbCom. Cases that need private evidence need to be presented privately to ArbCom. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:09, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Archiving case. Any private information needs to go to arbcom, as indicated. NativeForeigner Talk 20:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)