Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sonofstar/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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All these accounts appear connected in the way they engage in disruptive editing. A lot of the edits of all three accounts are fixing grammar mistakes, sometimes on the same pages, with edits summaries such as "Grammar", "grammar corrections", or "Spelling and Grammar correction". Blackfishes and Sonofstar have both been warned for these edits because they ignore WP:ENGVAR. Blackfishes, the newest account, has been warned multiple times and yet continues this form of disruptive editing. This account was created after the other accounts stopped this form of disruptive editing.

Sonofstar also ignored multiple warning for disruptive editing in the same manner. Sonofstar was warned multiple times for the inappropriate draftifying of mainspace pages. Sonofstar and WikiEditorAd were warned multiples times for possible undisclosed paid editing.

More interconnections:

1) Both Blackfishes and Sonofstar have deleted many of the warning on their talk pages, referring to them as "old stuff".

2) Out of the blue, Soforstar reverted Blackfishes' removal of their "old stuff", and immediately self-reverted, in what seems like a misclick.

3)WikiEditorAd created Trell (application) (copyvio), and Sonofstar came to its defense by voting !keep. Sonofstar then went on to nominate other articles of similar topics for deletion, and tagged these articles for undisclosed paid editing despite no indication this was happening. They seemed to take the nomination of Trell very personal, and then violated WP:POINT.

Most of their combined edits amount to disruptive editing. They tend to ignore warnings. None of them are even extended confirmed. Weird connections. This tells me they are three sock accounts. Figuring out who the actual sockmaster is, and if they were previously investigated, if why I believe we need Checkuser data. Mottezen (talk) 03:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd like to address some statements made by Sonofstar in their defense. It looks to me that we are dealing with an evolved troll:


 * 1) This is a false claim that I was warned about paid editing ever. While technically true, Sonofstar was instead warned for adding promotional of advertising material. They were both warned about adding promotional content about an indian App.


 * 2) Editing grammar is the most basic and any editor might start from this Sure, but opening an account and making 20+ grammar corrections in under an hour, in various unrelated articles, and repeating this actions over the next few days, is very peculiar. These three accounts did this, making many "corrections" where none was needed, and some of them were immediately reverted. Even more peculiar is that Blackfishes corrected 4 pages that were previously corrected by Sonofstar, and 3 that were previously corrected by WikiEditorAd. See the User compare report, these pages are not particularly related, and such matches are an extraordinary coincidence given these accounts maybe have a total of 500 edits together.
 * On the original claim, correcting mistakes sounds like a troll's idea on how to get the sock started to avoid suspicion.


 * 3)For Trell, I was the initial one to mark the lack of sources, notability tag While that is true, an IP editor reverted this tagging 6 minutes later with more source. This IP did no subsequent edits. . These edits might be related.


 * 4)inappropriate draftifying mistakes I do and then stop doing that for a time because I understand that I have not learned that yet. Making "Draftifying mistakes" sounds very unusual. Yet the user was warned 5 times about it in 2 months    . This is relevant for the WP:Sock conversation because Sonofstar only started draftifying articles after Trell (application) was draftified in December 2020. To me, it looks like Sonofstar is disrupting Wikipedia to make a point over an the treatment of an article created by WikiEditorAd.


 * 5) From that AFD discussion, I learned about secondary sources which I observed missing in other app pages so nominated for AFD. Clearly Sonofstar didn't learn it well, because some of the pages they sent to AFD were clearly notable  . I arleady discussed this in the opening statement, but this again looks like Sonofstar is disrupting Wikipedia to make a point over an the treatment of an article created by WikiEditorAd. This AfD comment strikes me as particularly troll-like; there was not the slightest indication this keep !voter was a paid editor. A possible explanation for such behavior is that the sock master was the target of such accusations in the past...


 * 6) First time facing something like this. I kept the discussion on their first sentence for the end, but I'd like to point out that this is a very peculiar way to start a defense. We know this is the first time by Sonofstar's edit history; why did this need to be said? It could be because it's not true, and that Sonofstar is a sock of a previously banned account. I am inclined to believe this because, in January, Sonofstar noticed that an editor confessed to using two accounts to edit a page on a talk page. Sonofstar immediately posted this on the teahouse: . This shows that, after having only performed less than 200 edits, Sonofstar already knew Wikipedian term "Sockpuppetry case", and that it could result in a ban. However, Sonofstar did not find out about this term in the appropriate help page: they went to get help at the teahouse instead. How did Sonofstar know that word then? Mottezen (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' First time facing something like this. That's a weird connection tried to build. For Blackfishes, Editing grammar is the most basic and any editor might start from this. In May 2020 I was warned regarding "National varieties of English" once rest I don't remember' getting any grammar warning ever, Someone can't do the same mistake after a year. Also, Blackfishes repetitively do such mistake even these days, not me. I went to check the talk page and realised a lot have already explained this to him. My intension is not to delete my personal talk page but just to make it shorter but recently I saw something like an archive. Still, not sure how to archive it, to make the page looks clean. Yes, inappropriate draftifying mistakes I do and then stop doing that for a time because I understand that I have not learned that yet. Also, I apologised on my talk page but what is the point to say this? This is a false claim that I was warned about paid editing ever. For Trell, I was the initial one to mark the lack of sources, notability tag. Then observed many good sources are available which I contributed. From that AFD discussion, I learned about secondary sources which I observed missing in other app pages so nominated for AFD. And getting auto extended is not my goal also this is too easy to get, I might need just a day for it but learning constructive editing is more important for me. Sonofstar (talk) 07:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * /❌. The only thing similar is that they're in the same country and that they're using similar common user agents. No similar IPs or ranges...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   07:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Closing per the above. The SandDoctor  Talk 06:50, 13 March 2021 (UTC)