Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Soutut/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( original case name)

Per discussion at  Catfish   Jim  and the soapdish  20:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Final unblock appeal from failed on 3rd December 2021 with suggestion he came back in six months.  registered his account on 4th December 2021... WP:QUACK applies...  Catfish   Jim  and the soapdish  21:01, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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From this showing the edits of Soutut on BST's talkpage show they are obsessed with edits on Mohammed Shami. Michri michri first pile of edits are (mainly) on Shami's article.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd forgotten I had accused this user of being a sock when they first started posting, I should have listed an SPI then : and . As mentioned by Lugnuts, both editted extensively on Mohammed Shami in a close range of time, often in a disruptive/argumentative fashion. p.s. Should this case really need marked as closed if user not been blocked yet? Spike &#39;em (talk) 21:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be listed as closed... ???  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  21:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It had been status closed since you created it, I guess that was not your intention! Also, should it not be listed with user Soutut as the master and MM as the puppet rather than the other way round? Spike &#39;em (talk) 21:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't do this too often... obvs messed it up!  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  22:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect the IP listed will come back as no match... I think Soutot has been getting a relative/friend in the UK to post for him.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  22:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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Per discussion in ANI mentioned above, coordinated WP:SANCTIONGAMING against. Multiple editors have expressed concerns re potential sock activity.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  20:39, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Just to note that
 * Looking at timecards, I don't think the 79.x.x.x IP is Michri Michri (and I realise a CU won't disclose that either), but just to point out that 92.31.3.96 identifies as previously editing as that IP.
 * Also Soutut admitted using 202.142.67.241. It was pointed out that there was interaction from 202.142.67.248 and Soutut that looked like fake talkpage discussion.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  22:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Chhota Bheem Fan may be relevant here, blocked by on 18 February as a checkuserblock.
 * Other accounts created around the same time that share the interests include User:Jaspreetsingh6 and User:Krish edits675, amongst many others. Black Kite (talk) 21:38, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look at this in a while, if no one get there before me. Chhota Bheem Fan has certainly been responsible for other disruption (but is possibly related to this SPI). -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's an initial result: Michri michri is confirmed to be Soutut. Not promising anything, but I haven't finished yet. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:03, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * To conclude: Michri michri is confirmed to be Soutut, and they're probably unrelated to the Cricket Fan 7 disruption or other accounts (although in general some level of meatpuppetry seems a probability). CUs don't generally like to comment on IPs. Clerk, please move this to Soutut, which appears to be the oldest identifiable sockmaster. -- zzuuzz (talk) 22:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, added tag for Soutut. The IP editor appears to be on a different continent than Soutut/Michri michri. There might be behavioural concerns with their edits but that's not strictly in scope for SPI. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 05:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
edit warring on Mohammed Shami Spike &#39;em (talk) 08:55, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * See below. Spicy (talk) 19:11, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Disruptive editing on Mohammed Shami Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * Soutut admitted to using an IP in the same range in November 2021, here: . Disruptive editing regarding Mohammed Shami has been coming from this range for quite a while. The range is too busy to fully block, but I think a partial block should deal with most of the disruption with minimal risk of collateral. - please partially block  from Mohammed Shami for 6 months (anon-only). Thanks, Spicy (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ firefly  ( t · c ) 10:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Edit warring on Mohammed Shami by restoring content (e.g.) added by previous sock / ip editors. (& ).

Having checked their contributions in Talk namespace, I'm feeling slightly stalked, having had previous run-ins with this editor (e.g. & ). This one in particular could be considered as thumbing their nose at me, or an admission of guilt! Spike &#39;em (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

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 * -  Girth Summit  (blether)  18:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. There are some other unused accounts on their range which might be them, but their using a fairly common UA so they might be innocent. Come back if any more accounts start doing similar stuff. Blocked, tagged etc.  Girth Summit  (blether)  18:10, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Pro forma, see below. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:28, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Checked because of a pending unblock request. is ✅ to the master and their previous accounts, meaning that  is now considered banned under WP:3X.  --Blablubbs (talk) 10:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Continues to retain all-time obsession with Mohammed Shami.

Added a "criticism"/"controversy" section on Mahatma Gandhi and cited "Ambedkar" for it.

Supporting own talk page request with "Meowkiti" and restoring account's edits with another account after the former was blocked for trolling.

Despite restoring the single comment by Meowkiti for his talk page request, he considers "no response over there" on talk page. It could be because he is not counting himself.

One account claimed to be "Hindutva" while another account wants to look "against pro Hindutva". Could be a case of WP:STRAWSOCK.

Ping and. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 19:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Behavior of Soutut and জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা clearly matches with each other. Some examples:
 * Both understand Bengali language. "জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা" is written in Bengali while Soutut added Bengali scripts. On their userpage, both have mentioned that they can speak in English and Bengali.
 * Both discussed copyright-related problem on Teahouse.
 * Both of them opened a section on Teahouse with the title "block" and reported there to get their own editing opponent blocked from editing.
 * Discussing articles such as "Shami", "Bumrah" to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket.
 * Both are familiar with Kolaghat.
 * Both started new section at User talk:Blue Square Thing with the title "Help". Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 20:17, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * Could you also look at ? Although I don't suspect them with the greatest confidence, an alternate account of theirs, &mdash;which they admitted reluctantly after admin 's intervention&mdash;has similarities of expressions and usage with to 's, at least to my mind. Thanks.  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  12:12, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * please could you provide some evidence of similarity in the form of diffs? I'd be happy to investigate, but I can't run a check without some evidence to go on, and I imagine you must already have seen some suspicious stuff or you wouldn't have raised it. Girth Summit  (blether)  12:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Are you seriously accusing me of being a sockpuppet of someone I reverted multiple times and whom I several times told needs to stop being disruptive ? UnpetitproleX (talk) 12:28, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If I implied that you, UnpetitproleX, are a sockpuppet of Fayninja, I apologize. I meant that they are a sockpuppet of yours.  After all I was correct in guessing that  was your account, which you admitted with great reluctance and about which you are still being a little coy or off-handed on your user page, not explicitly stating it as admin RegentsPark had asked you to. I will look at behavioral similarities between Pankykh and Fayninja, and if I don't find enough, or the critical number that would give me confidence, I will apologize here. Your messages and exhortations to Fayninja I view to be distancing behavior. Sorry, but my intuition has proved correct quite a few times before and Wikipedia is bigger than both you and I.   Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  13:45, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * In light of 's check, I apologize for my speculation. Thank you Girth for checking. Best regards to both,  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  11:48, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * These accounts look different to me, technically speaking - like, ❌ different. however, who is blocked, is ✅ to the following though:
 * I'm going to block the above, but will leave this open in case anyone wants to do a behavioural investigation into the other reported account - I obviously can't rule out off-wiki collaboration. I'll add that these accounts' geolocation would be consistent with them being Soutut; appears to be on a different continent.  Girth Summit  (blether)  19:58, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Girth Summit I wanted to tag at least Fayninja who has blocked their talk page, but I'm not sure that the tag shouldn't actually say the sockmaster is Meowkiti. Doug Weller  talk 07:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * - taking another look at this.  Girth Summit  (blether)  08:48, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I made a mistake last night - must have got confused about which IPs I was looking at. The blocked accounts (Fayninja et al) are the ones on a different continent. They are not Soutut, and so I will tag them accordingly (I believe Fayninja is the oldest account; courtesy ping to ). জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা's geolocation is consistent with them potentially being Soutut, but they are using different IP ranges, so I can't go any further than on them. I do see a small amount of fairly innocuous logged out editing, but nothing that would put me into blocking territory on what I can see technically - any block would need to be based on behavioural analysis.  Girth Summit  (blether)  09:26, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @Girth Summit Thanks. Doug Weller  talk 12:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * We need to reblock Fayninja as a sockmaster, not puppet, to avoid confusion. And break these up? Retag Fayninja and socks? Doug Weller  talk 12:20, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi Doug - Fayninja is currently tagged as a master, and the other accounts tagged as socks of theirs. If we identify any older accounts they will need to be retagged; this report should probably be split out from this case (either into a new one, or into an existing one if we can tie them back to someone) once we're content that we've identified everybody as well as we can. Girth Summit  (blether)  12:41, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I might have looked at the before you tagged and posted the above after you did!  Doug Weller  talk 15:03, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I compared the contributions between and, and observed a considerable amount of overlap, so ran a check. They are technically ❌. I cannot speak to any question of off-wiki collusion or whatever, but they don't appear to be being operated by the same person.  Girth Summit  (blether)  15:17, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the behavioral evidence connecting to the  sockfarm is WP:DUCK-level. In addition to the links outlined in the original report and update, I see contributions on Commons (1 and 2) which links to the same locality of Kolaghat. Will block unless  or someone else objects.
 * Also I don't think the Soutut and Fayninja sockfarms are connected despite the recent overlap related to Mahatma Gandhi. Different interests overall and IMO different motivating biases. Abecedare (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No objection from me, - I'm not particularly familiar with the editing habits and behavioural evidence in the case, I've just been looking at the technical (CU) evidence, which puts জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা in the same city-level location as previous socks from this case. If you're confident on the behaviour, please block and tag as suspected; I'll then ask that a clerk splits out the Fayninja accounts into a separate case.  Girth Summit  (blether)  17:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Blocked and tagged . Abecedare (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Also I don't think the Soutut and Fayninja sockfarms are connected despite the recent overlap related to Mahatma Gandhi. Different interests overall and IMO different motivating biases. Abecedare (talk) 17:13, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No objection from me, - I'm not particularly familiar with the editing habits and behavioural evidence in the case, I've just been looking at the technical (CU) evidence, which puts জয় হিন্দ জয় বাংলা in the same city-level location as previous socks from this case. If you're confident on the behaviour, please block and tag as suspected; I'll then ask that a clerk splits out the Fayninja accounts into a separate case.  Girth Summit  (blether)  17:19, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Blocked and tagged . Abecedare (talk) 17:25, 24 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Filed pro forma report at Sockpuppet investigations/Fayninja. Closing. MarioGom (talk) 15:11, 18 August 2023 (UTC)